Differential Equations or not That is the Question

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The discussion revolves around whether a student should skip Calculus 1 and Calculus 2 to take Differential Equations in their first semester of college. The conversation includes considerations of the syllabus content for Differential Equations, the relevance of prior calculus knowledge, and the implications for a major in Chemical and Materials Engineering.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confidence in their Calculus 1 skills but uncertainty about Calculus 2, particularly regarding series and sequences.
  • Another participant asks for the syllabus of the Differential Equations class to assess its requirements.
  • Several participants suggest that a solid understanding of Calculus 2 is important for success in Differential Equations, especially regarding Fourier series.
  • Some participants argue that skipping Multivariable Calculus may not be advisable for an engineering major, suggesting that it is typically part of the sequence leading to Differential Equations.
  • One participant shares their experience of retaking calculus courses to better prepare for upper-level math, indicating that AP courses may not adequately prepare students.
  • Concerns are raised about the reliance of Differential Equations on concepts from both Calculus 1 and Calculus 2, with some suggesting that a review of these topics would be beneficial.
  • There is a suggestion that a basic understanding of linear algebra could be helpful for the Differential Equations course, though not strictly necessary.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on whether the student should skip Calculus 2. Some believe it is essential for understanding Differential Equations, while others feel that the student may manage without it. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the necessity of prior calculus courses for success in Differential Equations.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions about the curriculum and the specific requirements for engineering majors at different institutions. The discussion reflects varying experiences with AP courses and their effectiveness in preparing students for college-level mathematics.

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Next year I'll be entering my first year in college, and I'm not sure if I should skip Calculus 1 and Calculus 2.

I have both credits from my AP scores, I'm much more confident in my Calc 1 skills than Calc 2, because I don't really remember anything from series and sequences really... I'm surprised I even got credit.

Anyway: I'm not sure what Differential Equations entails... so I'm not sure if I should skip it or not. Diff EQs are the only math class that I have to take if I skip Calc 1 and 2, and it'd be nice to get it over with first semester :P

Thanks in advance!
 
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Do you have the syllabus for your diff eq. class?
 
Well first of all... What do you plan on doing as a career? Or even more general: what do you plan on majoring in?
 
I want to do Chemical and Materials Engineeringedit:

Syllabus:
"First-order differential equations, second-order linear equations, eigenvalues and eigenvectors of matrices, systems of first-order equations, stability and qualitative properties of nonlinear autonomous systems in the plane, Fourier series, separation of variables for partial differential equations. "

I have NO CLUE what this means pretty much.
 
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I think you should be fine as long as you remember most of the stuff from your AP calc course, but don't be surprised if you need to review something from your calculus class.

Also, be prepared to review sequence and series if you don't remember it. That's very important if you need to study Fourier series.

Buy a cheap calculus textbook from a used book store, and review some materials you don't remember.
 
Your school doesn't require Calculus III/Multivariable Calculus/Vector Calculus? That's often how the sequence goes especially for engineers: Cal I -> Cal II -> Cal III -> Diff. Eq.
 
Nope :(
It skips Calc 3, and we're done with math after Diff. Eqs :P
 
kscribble said:
Nope :(
It skips Calc 3, and we're done with math after Diff. Eqs :P

That seems really strange that multivariable calculus isn't required for engineers. But in that case, I think you should be fine in Diff Eq, although a basic understanding of linear algebra would help (but isn't necessary), especially given the course description below.
 
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Nope :(
It skips Calc 3, and we're done with math after Diff. Eqs :P

that sounds like the syllabus for the chem majors at my school, but for an engineer I would'nt skip multivariable I would do diffy q and calc 3 and linear algebra too
 
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clope023 said:
that sounds like the syllabus for the chem majors at my school, but for an engineer I would'nt skip multivariable I would do diffy q and calc 3 and linear algebra too

That's not an option unfortunately, my curriculum says I only need to take Calc 1, Calc 2, and Diff EQs

It just comes down to this: how much of Diff EQs relies on the Calc 2 material?
 
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A class in D.E.'s will rely heavily on calc 2 (and calc 1 for that matter). If I were you I'd take calc 2 at the university before jumping into D.E.s -- especially if you've never played around with even O.D.E.s before.. Just my two cents.
 
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kscribble said:
...I don't really remember anything from series and sequences really...

Don't skip calc 2. Series are used extensively when you get to Fourier.
 
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I am doubtful that a Diff Eq course will be that heavy in Fourier anyways. We touched a bit on it in my linear algebra course, but it was bare minimal. Maybe after taking analysis, Fourier would be more sequence heavy. When I went into college environment (my senior year of high school) , I retook all of single vari calculus (after scoring a 4,5 on BC, AB respectively), and I am really happy I did. I think the AP test doesn't really do a good job of preparing kids for upper level math. E.g. AP BC does not test on trig substitution integrals, but these appear heavily in Calc 3. As a chemical engineer, I would recommend not jumping straight into diff eq. The courses that require diff eq appear later in your college career, so it would be better if it was fresher in your memory. I think you would be better off starting in a multivariable course, which is what I did my first semester freshmen year, since these topics appear sooner in the cheme curriculum...
 

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