Differentiating and Integrating the Lambert W function

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the differentiation and integration of the Lambert W function. Participants explore the application of calculus rules, particularly the chain rule, to derive expressions for the derivative and discuss potential methods for integration.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an initial differentiation attempt using the chain rule and product rule, but acknowledges it is incorrect and seeks clarification on the correct approach.
  • Another participant suggests using the chain rule in the context of the function W(x) as W(x*e^x) and provides a formula for the derivative.
  • A different participant proposes starting from the equation w(x)e^w(x)=x to derive the correct expression for w'(x).
  • Some participants note the ambiguity in the expression for the derivative and emphasize the need to differentiate between W(xe^x) and W(x).
  • There is a suggestion to use separation of variables as a method for integration.
  • One participant reiterates the integration approach involving substitution and expresses confusion about the steps taken in the integration process.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correct application of differentiation techniques and integration methods. There is no consensus on the final expressions or methods for integration, as multiple approaches are discussed.

Contextual Notes

Some expressions and steps in the differentiation and integration processes are noted as ambiguous or potentially incorrect, highlighting the complexity of applying calculus to the Lambert W function.

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Readers interested in advanced calculus, particularly those studying special functions like the Lambert W function, may find the discussion relevant.

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Here was my thinking for differentiation (which, by the way, is wrong):

By the definition of the function, the following equations are equal:

$$W(xe^x)=x$$

By the chain rule and product rule:

$$\frac{dW}{dx}( e^x+xe^x ) =1$$
$$\frac{dW}{dx}=(e^x+xe^x)^{-1}$$

What is the error here? What is the correct way to differentiate it? Also, how would I integrate it?

P.S. Why is the fraction bar in the third equation bolder than in the second equation? They are typesetted the same way...
 
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Hey piercebeatz.

Basically you use the chain rule: d/dx f(g(x)) = g'(x)f'(g(x)).

Note that W(x) in this case is W(x*e^x) or W(g(x)) where g(x) = x*e^x.
 
you have found

w'(e^x+x e^x)=1/(e^x+x e^x)

you might want to start with

w(x) e^w(x)=x

to find

w'(x)=1/(e^w(x)+w(x) e^w(x))
 
The expression :
$$\frac{dW}{dx}=(e^x+xe^x)^{-1}$$ is true, but ambiguous.

Do not confuse :
$$\frac{dW(xe^x)}{dx}=(e^x+xe^x)^{-1}$$
and
$$\frac{dW(x)}{dx}=\frac{W(x)}{x(W(x)+1)}$$
 
JJacquelin said:
The expression :
$$\frac{dW}{dx}=(e^x+xe^x)^{-1}$$ is true, but ambiguous.

Do not confuse :
$$\frac{dW(xe^x)}{dx}=(e^x+xe^x)^{-1}$$
and
$$\frac{dW(x)}{dx}=\frac{W(x)}{x(W(x)+1)}$$

Looking back at the top, that was a pretty lousy use of the chain rule. I see what I should have done now.

Do you have any idea how to integrate it?
 
Have you tried using separation of variables?
 
^right very nice

[itex]\int W \text{ dx}=\int W \text{ d}(We^W)=\int (W+1)W e^W\text{ dW}[/itex]
 
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lurflurf said:
^right very nice

[itex]\int W \text{ dx}=\int W \text{ d}(We^W)=\int (W+1)W e^W\text{ dW}[/itex]

Sorry what did you do there?
 
^As chiro suggested separation of variables, which is equivalent to the substitution

x=W(x)e^W(x)
 
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