Differentiating y= Acosαx + Bsinαx and finding Constants

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The problem involves differentiating the function y = Acos(αx) + Bsin(αx) and finding the constants A, B, and α such that the function satisfies the equation y'' + y = 0 along with the initial conditions y(0) = 0 and y'(0) = 1.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the differentiation of the function and the correctness of the derived expressions for y' and y''. There are attempts to rewrite the second derivative and explore how it relates to the original function.
  • Some participants question the implications of the initial conditions on the constants A and B, and whether α can have multiple values.
  • There is a focus on collecting terms and simplifying the equation to find relationships between A, B, and α.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on each other's calculations and exploring different interpretations of the relationships between the constants. There is no explicit consensus yet, but some productive lines of reasoning have been established regarding the values of A, B, and α.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraints of the problem statement, which specifies that A, B, and α are constants independent of x. The discussion also highlights the importance of correctly applying initial conditions to determine the constants.

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Homework Statement



Don't really know what to do with this one, any help welcome

If A, B and α are constants, independent of x, and

y= Acosαx + Bsinαx

Evaluate the derivates
y'=dy/dx
y^n=d^2y/dx^2

Determine values of A, B and α such that y satisfies
y^n+y=0 and y(0)=0, y'(0)=1


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The Attempt at a Solution



I've tried to differentiate y
y'=-αAsinαx + αBcosαx
y'=αBcosαx - αAsinαx

y^n=-ααBsinαx + ααAcosαx
y^n=ααAcosαx - ααBsinαx
 
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You might find it easier to see if you used standard notation and parentheses. Use y'' for second derivative and use exponents like a2 instead of aa. (Use the X2 icon for superscripts.

Rewriting what you have for the second derivative:

y'' = a2Acos(αx) - α2Bsin(αx)

Now can you figure out a so that

y''+y=0

And once you have that what do the two conditions

y(0)=0, y'(0)=1

tell you about A and B?
 
But are my y' and y'' values correct because their wouldn't be any point in starting part 2 of the question if they are not
 
You have a sign mistake in y'' which will become obvious when you try to make y'' + y = 0.
 
y''=-ααBsinαx - ααAcosαx then, yes?
 
Yes. Did you understand about the X2 button so you can write a2 instead of aa?
 
y+yn=0

2Bsinαx - α2Acosαx + Acosαx + Bsinαx=0

Acosαx + Bsinαx=α2Bsinαx + α2Acosαx

Acosαx(1 - α2)=Bsinαx(α2 - 1)

so α=1?

b) 0=Acosα(0) + Bsinα(0)
A=0

c) 1=αBcosα(0) - αAsinα(0)
B=1
 
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zombieguy said:
y+yn=0

2Bsinαx - α2Acosαx + Acosαx + Bsinαx=0

Right here, if you collect terms on cos and sin you can see what a has to be.

Acosαx + Bsinαx=α2Bsinαx + α2Acosαx
Divide by cosαx
A + Btanαx=α2Btanαx + α2A

A (1 - α2)=Btanαx(α2 - 1)

so α=1?

Is a = 1 the only solution to a2=1?

b) 0=Acosα(0) + Bsinα(0)
A=0

c) 1=αBcosα(0) - αAsinα(0)
B=1

That's right if a = 1 is the only value for a that works.
 
LCKurtz said:
Is a = 1 the only solution to a2=1?

My bad, a=1 or -1
B=1 or -1
A=0

Thank you very much for the help
 

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