Difficult 2D Kinematics Question

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The problem involves a basketball thrown from a height of 2 meters, aiming to hit a hoop located 3 meters above the ground and 4.5 meters away horizontally. The direction of the ball's velocity upon reaching the hoop is specified as 45 degrees below the horizontal. The goal is to determine the time it takes for the ball to reach the hoop and its initial speed.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of kinematic equations and the relationships between the components of velocity and time. There is an acknowledgment of having more equations than unknowns, leading to confusion in solving the problem. Questions arise regarding the sign of the final vertical velocity and the algebraic manipulations involved in deriving the initial speed.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on the equations to use, and there is an ongoing exploration of the algebraic steps necessary to arrive at the solution. While there is some progress in calculating values for certain variables, there is no explicit consensus on the final outcome, as discrepancies in the initial speed calculations are noted.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working within the constraints of kinematic equations and are attempting to reconcile their results with the physical setup of the problem. There is a focus on ensuring the correct interpretation of positive and negative directions in the context of the problem.

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Homework Statement


A basketball is thrown from a height of 2m. The direction of its velocity when it hits the rim of the basketball hoop is 45 degrees below the horizontal. The basketball hoop is 3m above the ground and 4.5 m in front of the shooter.

How long does the ball take to hit the rim, and what is its initial speed?

Homework Equations


Let a = x velocity, b = intial y velocity, t = time.
Kinematics equations, also |x velocity| = |final y velocity|
a=4.5/t
1=bt-4.905t^2
b-9.81t=-a
(b-9.81t)^2=b^2-19.6

The Attempt at a Solution


I know I have more equations than unknowns, but I just go in circles when trying to solve. Sometimes I get a seemingly significant step done but then another equation shows that something went wrong. Please help!

Thank you!
 
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You have one more equation, that for the y component of velocity in terms of time.

ehild
 
Oh yes, I forgot to write that one.
vfy = b-gt

I am still stuck though trying to solve these equations (despite having so many!) Do you mind showing me how to do the algebra?
 
Use the equation that |vfy|=a. Is vfy positive or negative?

ehild
 
vfy is negative if we say that positive y is up.

so I combined a = -vfy and vfy = b-gt -> a = gt - b

gt - b = 4.5/t
4.5 = gt^2 - bt
add to 2nd equation listed : 5.5 = gt^2 - 4.905 t^2
t = 1.06 s

Is that right?

Then by equation 1:
a = 4.25 m/s

By equation 3:
b = 6.15 m/s

and vo = 26.2 m/s

Is that right?
 
a and b are correct, but vo is not. How did you get it?

ehild
 
I must have typed something wrong into my calculator.

vo = 7.48 m/s

Thanks so much for your help!
 
That result is correct!

ehild
 

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