Digestion Qs: Humans, Plants, Stomach & Intestine

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The discussion revolves around the digestion of plant materials by humans, particularly focusing on cellulose and its role in nutrition, as well as the effects of stomach acidity and enzymes on orally ingested medications. Participants explore the implications of these processes for dietary choices and nutritional value.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that humans cannot digest cellulose, which is a major component of plant cell walls, yet they still derive nutrition from plant foods due to mechanical and chemical digestion processes.
  • Others argue that while cellulose is indigestible, it contributes to dietary fiber, which aids in digestion and the movement of food through the digestive tract.
  • It is proposed that the nutritional components of plants can be accessed through methods such as boiling and chewing, which break down the plant structure.
  • Participants discuss the role of oral medication coatings that protect the active ingredients from being broken down in the stomach and small intestine.
  • Some mention that certain medications are designed to be metabolized in gastrointestinal fluids before becoming active, categorizing them as "prodrugs."
  • There is a debate about the nutritional value of different parts of plants, with some asserting that fruits are more nutritious than leafy greens, while others challenge this notion by citing specific nutrient content.
  • Concerns are raised about the common belief that celery is a "zero-sum food," with some participants suggesting it can be as nutritious as other foods.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that humans cannot digest cellulose, but there are multiple competing views regarding how nutrition is extracted from plants and the relative nutritional value of different plant parts. The discussion remains unresolved on several points, particularly regarding the nutritional comparisons of various foods.

Contextual Notes

Some claims about the nutritional content of specific foods are based on varying interpretations of data, and there are unresolved assumptions regarding the effectiveness of different digestion processes.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in nutrition, dietary science, and the digestive processes related to plant-based foods.

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Hi,

1) Humans cannot digest cellulose. Plant cell walls are made of cellulose. How can we get
any nutrition fro plants if we can't break it's outermost structure?

2) When we take medicine by mouth, what prevents it from being broken down in the acidic stomach, or the enzymes on the small intestine?

Thanks
 
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Good Question actually, I'm not sure of the answer myself however I had a little look and found a bit of information regarding your first question.

Although cellulose is indigestible by humans, it does form a part of the human diet in the form of plant foods. Small amounts of cellulose found in vegetables and fruits pass through the human digestive system intact. Cellulose is part of the material called "fiber" that dieticians and nutritionists have identified as useful in moving food through the digestive tract quickly and efficiently.

http://science.jrank.org/pages/1335/Cellulose-Cellulose-digestion.html"
 
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For your first question; even though we can't fully digest the cellulose (note that complete digestion is breaking things down to almost the individual molecular level to be absorbed), we can still mash it up/break it apart -> to get to the sweet sweet innards of plant material. Similarly, a lot of the good stuff (vitamins / minerals / sugars) get extracted as a (~)liquid from the cellular matrices.
2)Oral medications only work because they start to be broken down - and then absorbed somewhere. Often the capsules / coatings give the actual medicine a protection period before it starts to get broken down.
I assume that one of the factors that goes into what medications can be taken orally - is if they will be broken down before they will be absorbed/effective.
 
1.) The above post already hit upon the answer - the combination of mechanical and chemical digestion, as well as extraction of nutrients in liquid form - let's us use the delicious planty goodness for our nutritional needs, and the cellulose goes through as dietary fiber. It's also interesting to note that the starchier plant-based foods do tend to get absorbed a bit better, as I recall, as there's less cellulose.

2.) It should be noted that some drugs actually need to be metabolized in the gastrointestinal fluids before they're active, as they're technically a "prodrug."
 
The part that we actually eat of many plants is not the green, cellulose part, but the fruit part (example: strawberry compared to a leaf). The fruit part is nutritious as it contains vitamins and minerals. The plants, like lettuce, that we actually do eat the green part is not very nutritious at all. On a salad, for instance, it is from all of the extra stuff that we put on the salad is where we get the nutrition from. The lettuce doesn't give us much, but it can help clean out the digestive system.
 
Lanka said:
The plants, like lettuce, that we actually do eat the green part is not very nutritious at all. On a salad, for instance, it is from all of the extra stuff that we put on the salad is where we get the nutrition from. The lettuce doesn't give us much, but it can help clean out the digestive system.
http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts/vegetables-and-vegetable-products/2476/2"
Nearly 100% DV of Vitamins A, B6, C, K, Folate, Manganese, Calcium, Iron, Magnesium, Thiamine, etc.




And just to explode another myth - that celery is a zero-sum food, I checked celery once - it is at least as nutritious, and in some cases, moreso, than an apple.
 
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According to the page you attached, it is not nearly 100% DV for any of the vitamins listed, but the point is clear that it actually is more nutritious than I gave it credit for. I remember my biology teacher saying otherwise, so thanks for clarifying that.

About celery, is it true that vitamin-wise celery is good for people but calorie-wise it does pretty much nothing?
 
Lanka said:
About celery, is it true that vitamin-wise celery is good for people but calorie-wise it does pretty much nothing?
It's pretty low in calories, yes.
 
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biophysics said:
Hi,

1) Humans cannot digest cellulose. Plant cell walls are made of cellulose. How can we get
any nutrition fro plants if we can't break it's outermost structure?

We boil and then chew our food, this breaks up the internal structure and releases the nutritional components. The cellulose bit passes right through our digestive system (eat some boiled corn, the outer yellow part will pass right through, but the inner part will have been digested).
 
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Monique said:
(eat some boiled corn, the outer yellow part will pass right through, but the inner part will have been digested).
As with nickels.

:biggrin:
 

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