Dimension of Dirac Functionals in $V$: Find the Answer

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The discussion revolves around determining the dimension of the kernel of Dirac functionals in the vector space $V$ generated by the set $\{\sin x, \cos x, x \sin x, x \cos x, x+2, x^2-1\}$ on the interval $[0, \pi]$. Participants explore definitions and properties of Dirac functionals, linear independence, and the structure of the vector space.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the set of functions is linearly independent and generates the vector space $V$, suggesting its dimension is 6.
  • Others discuss the Dirac functional $\delta$, defined as a linear map from $V$ to $\mathbb{R}$, where $\delta(f) = f(0)$.
  • One participant proposes that the kernel of $\delta$ consists of functions in $V$ such that $\delta(f) = 0$.
  • There is a suggestion that the dimension of the image of $\delta$ is 3, leading to the conclusion that the dimension of the kernel could be 3 based on the dimension formula relating kernel and image.
  • Some participants express confusion regarding the definitions and implications of the Dirac functional, questioning the dimensionality of $V$ and the kernel.
  • One participant mentions that the term "Dirac functional" may be misleading in this context, suggesting a focus on it as a linear map instead.

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Participants generally agree on the linear independence of the function set and its role in generating the vector space $V$. However, there is disagreement and confusion regarding the implications of the Dirac functional, the dimensions of the kernel and image, and the overall dimensionality of $V$.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the dimension of the image of the Dirac functional is 1, which may affect the calculations regarding the kernel's dimension. There are unresolved questions about the specific calculations and definitions used in determining these dimensions.

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I am very much struggling with this problem: The set $\{\sin x, \cos x, x \sin x, x \cos x, x+2, x^2-1 \}$ on interval of $[0, \pi]$ is linearly independent and generates vector space $V$. Find the dimension of the kernel of the Dirac functionals in $V$.

Here are what I know of the definitions from my textbook: If $W$ is a vector space of continuous real-valued function on the interval $[0,1]$, and if $\delta: W \rightarrow \mathbb R$ is a map such that $\delta(f) = f(0)$, then $\delta$ is called Dirac functional. (Functional is defined as an element of $W$'s dual space, and dual space is the set of all linear maps of $W$ to $\mathbb R$.

I have been researching online on Dirac functional, but all I got were topics on differential equation and not on linear algebra. I am totally lost, please help. Thank you before hand for your gracious help and time. ~MA
 
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MaryAnn said:
I am very much struggling with this problem: The set $\{\sin x, \cos x, x \sin x, x \cos x, x+2, x^2-1 \}$ on interval of $[0, \pi]$ is linearly independent and generates vector space $V$. Find the dimension of the kernel of the Dirac functionals in $V$.

Here are what I know of the definitions from my textbook: If $W$ is a vector space of continuous real-valued function on the interval $[0,1]$, and if $\delta: W \rightarrow \mathbb R$ is a map such that $\delta(f) = f(0)$, then $\delta$ is called Dirac functional. (Functional is defined as an element of $W$'s dual space, and dual space is the set of all linear maps of $W$ to $\mathbb R$.

I have been researching online on Dirac functional, but all I got were topics on differential equation and not on linear algebra. I am totally lost, please help. Thank you before hand for your gracious help and time. ~MA

Hi MaryAnn! ;)

So we have:
$$V = \{ f: [0,\pi]\to\mathbb R \mid f(x) \mapsto a\sin x+b\cos x + c x\cos x + d(x+2) +e(x^2-1)\text{ for some }a,b,c,d,e \in \mathbb R \} \simeq \mathbb R^5$$
and we're looking for a kernel in $V$ of $\delta$. That is:
$$\{f \in V\mid \delta(f)=0\}$$
Right? (Wondering)
 
I like Serena said:
Hi MaryAnn! ;)

So we have:
$$V = \{ f: [0,\pi]\to\mathbb R \mid f(x) \mapsto a\sin x+b\cos x + c x\cos x + d(x+2) +e(x^2-1)\text{ for some }a,b,c,d,e \in \mathbb R \} \simeq \mathbb R^5$$
and we're looking for a kernel in $V$ of $\delta$. That is:
$$\{f \in V\mid \delta(f)=0\}$$
Right? (Wondering)

Thanks, but I am getting more confused than ever. By reading the problem closely, at first I thought that the set of linearly independent functions $\{\sin x, \cos x, ... \}$, let's denote it as $S$, is generating $V.$ But the way you told me is that $S$ is generating $\mathbb R.$ I am not challenging an authoritative guru like you, but could you please explain a little bit. And the dimension is therefore 5? Thanks again for your gracious help! ~MA
 
MaryAnn said:
Thanks, but I am getting more confused than ever. By reading the problem closely, at first I thought that the set of linearly independent functions $\{\sin x, \cos x, ... \}$, let's denote it as $S$, is generating $V.$ But the way you told me is that $S$ is generating $\mathbb R.$ I am not challenging an authoritative guru like you, but could you please explain a little bit. And the dimension is therefore 5? Thanks again for your gracious help! ~MA

An element of V is a function f. For instance cos is an element. And any linear combination is also an element of V. For instance 2cos x + 3sin x.
Moreover, each function in V can be uniquely identified by 5 real numbers - the coefficients of the linear combination.

Now consider e.g. f(x)=acos x+bsin x. For which a and b do we have f(0)=0?
 
MaryAnn said:
I am very much struggling with this problem: The set $\{\sin x, \cos x, x \sin x, x \cos x, x+2, x^2-1 \}$ on interval of $[0, \pi]$ is linearly independent and generates vector space $V$. Find the dimension of the kernel of the Dirac functionals in $V$.

Here are what I know of the definitions from my textbook: If $W$ is a vector space of continuous real-valued function on the interval $[0,1]$, and if $\delta: W \rightarrow \mathbb R$ is a map such that $\delta(f) = f(0)$, then $\delta$ is called Dirac functional. (Functional is defined as an element of $W$'s dual space, and dual space is the set of all linear maps of $W$ to $\mathbb R$.

I have been researching online on Dirac functional, but all I got were topics on differential equation and not on linear algebra. I am totally lost, please help. Thank you before hand for your gracious help and time. ~MA
Maybe it would help to go back to the original question and look at it carefully. You are correct to say that this "Dirac functional" is a linear map from $V$ to $\mathbb R$. I have put "Dirac functional" in quotes because I think that term is not helpful in this context and is likely to put you off. So just think of $\delta$ as a linear map from $V$ to $\mathbb R$. You are asked to find the dimension of its kernel.

You are told that $V$ is generated by a set of six functions (not five: I think ILS missed one!), and you are helpfully told that this set of functions is linearly independent. I have two questions for you.

Q.1. What is the dimension of $V$?

Q.2. (This is really a big hint.) Do you know a theorem about a linear map, giving a connection between the dimensions of its kernel and its range?
 
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Opalg said:
You are told that $V$ is generated by a set of six functions (not five: I think ILS missed one!)

Awwww... there goes my hard won guru status. (Tmi)
 
Opalg said:
Maybe it would help to go back to the original question and look at it carefully. You are correct to say that this "Dirac functional" is a linear map from $V$ to $\mathbb R$. I have put "Dirac functional" in quotes because I think that term is not helpful in this context and is likely to put you off. So just think of $\delta$ as a linear map from $V$ to $\mathbb R$. You are asked to find the dimension of its kernel.

You are told that $V$ is generated by a set of six functions (not five: I think ILS missed one!), and you are helpfully told that this set of functions is linearly independent. I have two questions for you.

Q.1. What is the dimension of $V$?

Q.2. (This is really a big hint.) Do you know a theorem about a linear map, giving a connection between the dimensions of its kernel and its range?

Many thanks to Opalg, you came to my rescue just in time! Here are my takes from your big hints:

A1: $dim(V) = 6$, because $V$ is generated by 6 functions.

A2: The dimension formula says $dim(V) = dim(ker (\delta) + dim(Im(\delta)).$

I think that $dim(Im(\delta)) = 3$ because as described by ILS, $\{ f \in V \mid \delta (f) = 0 = f(0)\}$, and
$$\begin{align}
f(0) &= a \sin 0 + b \cos 0 + (c)(0) \sin 0 + (d)(0) \cos 0 + e(0 + 2) + g(0^2 - 1)\\
&=b +2e - g,
\end{align}$$
which indicates that the dimension is indeed $3$.

Hence, after putting the numbers into the dimension formula, we have the $\dim(ker(\delta)) = 3.$ Please let me know if I made yet another dummy mistakes :) Thank you again to both of you for your gracious help! ~MA
 
MaryAnn said:
Many thanks to Opalg, you came to my rescue just in time! Here are my takes from your big hints:

A1: $dim(V) = 6$, because $V$ is generated by 6 functions.

A2: The dimension formula says $dim(V) = dim(ker (\delta) + dim(Im(\delta)).$

I think that $dim(Im(\delta)) = 3$ because as described by ILS, $\{ f \in V \mid \delta (f) = 0 = f(0)\}$, and
$$\begin{align}
f(0) &= a \sin 0 + b \cos 0 + (c)(0) \sin 0 + (d)(0) \cos 0 + e(0 + 2) + g(0^2 - 1)\\
&=b +2e - g,
\end{align}$$
which indicates that the dimension is indeed $3$.

Hence, after putting the numbers into the dimension formula, we have the $\dim(ker(\delta)) = 3.$ Please let me know if I made yet another dummy mistakes :) Thank you again to both of you for your gracious help! ~MA
Ummm... Not quite. This map $\delta:V\to\mathbb R$ has $\mathbb R$ as its image space. Since $\mathbb R$ is $1$-dimensional, its only subspaces have dimension $0$ (the subspace consisting only of the zero vector) or $1$ (if the subspace is the whole space). So $\mathrm{dim}(\mathrm {Im}(\delta))$ can only be $0$ or $1$.
 
Opalg said:
Ummm... Not quite. This map $\delta:V\to\mathbb R$ has $\mathbb R$ as its image space. Since $\mathbb R$ is $1$-dimensional, its only subspaces have dimension $0$ (the subspace consisting only of the zero vector) or $1$ (if the subspace is the whole space). So $\mathrm{dim}(\mathrm {Im}(\delta))$ can only be $0$ or $1$.

A belated thank you! ~MA
 

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