Dimensional analysis and coupling constant

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The discussion revolves around the role of dimensional analysis and coupling constants in quantum field theory (QFT), particularly focusing on the phi-cubed (##\phi^3##) and phi-fourth (##\phi^4##) theories as introduced in Srednicki's book. Participants explore the implications of these theories in the context of renormalizability, stability, and their applications in QFT.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the utility of ##\phi^3## theory, suggesting it is physically ill-defined and lacks a stable ground state, while others note its formal superrenormalizability in 1+3 dimensions.
  • There is a discussion about the dimensional requirements for coupling constants, with some arguing that ##\phi^4## theory is more appropriate for 4-dimensional spacetime.
  • One participant proposes that ##\phi^3## theory may simplify calculations despite its flaws, while others emphasize the need for careful treatment in ##\phi^4## theory.
  • Participants discuss the implications of different Lagrangian forms for particle interactions, particularly regarding the creation of electron-positron pairs and the requirements for hermitian and non-hermitian fields.
  • There is a suggestion that QED may be a simpler theory to work with, though some express uncertainty about its coverage in Srednicki's book.
  • Several participants recommend alternative QFT texts, highlighting their strengths and weaknesses in relation to Srednicki's work.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of agreement and disagreement regarding the relevance and validity of ##\phi^3## theory. While some acknowledge its role as a toy model, others argue against its physical applicability. The discussion on the best approach to learning QFT and the adequacy of Srednicki's book also reveals differing opinions.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in the treatment of ##\phi^3## theory and its implications for renormalizability and stability. The discussion also highlights unresolved questions regarding the appropriate Lagrangian forms for various particle interactions.

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This discussion may be useful for students and practitioners of quantum field theory, particularly those interested in the foundational aspects of coupling constants and dimensional analysis, as well as recommendations for learning resources.

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I'm learning QFT from Srednicki's book. He introduces dimensional analysis in section 12. Coupling constant needs to be dimensionless in order to avoid a number of problems. So phi-cubed theory needs 6 space time dimensions to make sense, but isn't phi-4th-powered theory just right for our 4 space time dimensions? Why to use phi-cubed theory?
 
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Yes! I never understood why Srednicky deals with ##\phi^3## theory. It's totally useless and physically ill-defined to begin with. Otherwise it's a great book to learn the fundamentals of QFT.

The constraint for renormalizability is that your coupling constants have positive mass dimension, as you get from power counting. ##\phi^3## theory in 1+3 space-time dimensions is superrenormalizable in a formal sense, and you can do formal calculations within perturbation theory. However, it doesn't have a stable ground state and thus is flawed already in the very beginning.
 
vanhees71 said:
Yes! I never understood why Srednicky deals with ##\phi^3## theory. It's totally useless and physically ill-defined to begin with. Otherwise it's a great book to learn the fundamentals of QFT.

The constraint for renormalizability is that your coupling constants have positive mass dimension, as you get from power counting. ##\phi^3## theory in 1+3 space-time dimensions is superrenormalizable in a formal sense, and you can do formal calculations within perturbation theory. However, it doesn't have a stable ground state and thus is flawed already in the very beginning.

I guess phi-cubed theory is super-renormalizable in 4 spacetime dimensions so the calculations will be easier. Phi-4th-powered theory is well-defined and just right, but it needs especially careful treatments.
Another question is, which L1 best describes the process of a photon creates an electron and a positron? It should be a hermitian field interacts with a non-hermitian field. It's natural to write φχ†χ, but φφχ†χ seems to be better since it has a ground state. However, Feynman's rule implies that in 4-th-powered theories, the total number of incoming and outgoing particles is even. More generally, if want the number of incoming and outgoing particles to be arbitrary, the exponent needs to be odd. But odd exponent L1 will not have a ground state. How to fix it?
 
Hm, just do QED ;-). Spinor QED is, in my opinion, the simplest theory to deal with. The only problem didactics wise is that it is a U(1) gauge theory and thus you need some more formalism to quantize it properly (best in terms of the path-integral formalism using Feynman-Faddeev-Popov techniques) before you can derive the Feynman rules, compared to a simple toy model like ##phi^4## theory. Also these toy model has its own right in terms of the linear O(N) ##\sigma## model, describing pions and ##\sigma## mesons, employing spontaneous symmetry breaking, etc.
 
vanhees71 said:
Hm, just do QED ;-). Spinor QED is, in my opinion, the simplest theory to deal with. The only problem didactics wise is that it is a U(1) gauge theory and thus you need some more formalism to quantize it properly (best in terms of the path-integral formalism using Feynman-Faddeev-Popov techniques) before you can derive the Feynman rules, compared to a simple toy model like ##phi^4## theory. Also these toy model has its own right in terms of the linear O(N) ##\sigma## model, describing pions and ##\sigma## mesons, employing spontaneous symmetry breaking, etc.

QED,,,I'm not sure whether Srednicki has introduced QED in his book. He talks a little about photon field and eletro-dynamics. After all I'm learning QFT from his book. Are there any good books on QFT(or StringTheory) other than Srednicki's? I may need more books.
 
The best books on the subject are

Weinberg, Quantum Theory of Fields, Cambridge University Press

However, that's not good as an introduction. My newest favorite is

M. D. Schwartz, Quantum Field Theory and the Standard Model, Cambridge University Press

I learned it during my Diploma Thesis from Ryder and Bailin&Love. The latter is particularly nice, concerning the path-integral formalism.

Srednicky is a good book too. I only don't like his engagement with ##\phi^3## theory. His strength in my opinion is the careful treatment of the LSZ reduction formalism. Of course, he also covers QED and also the entire Standard Model to some extent in Part III.
 
vanhees71 said:
The best books on the subject are

Weinberg, Quantum Theory of Fields, Cambridge University Press

However, that's not good as an introduction. My newest favorite is

M. D. Schwartz, Quantum Field Theory and the Standard Model, Cambridge University Press

I learned it during my Diploma Thesis from Ryder and Bailin&Love. The latter is particularly nice, concerning the path-integral formalism.

Srednicky is a good book too. I only don't like his engagement with ##\phi^3## theory. His strength in my opinion is the careful treatment of the LSZ reduction formalism. Of course, he also covers QED and also the entire Standard Model to some extent in Part III.

Thanks very much. ##\phi^3## theory is just a toy before going to QED. He actually introduces Feynman rules in Part I, not ##\phi^3## theory. Is it possible to skip some sections and go directly to QED?
 
It should be possible. Just try it. You can always read the parts on ##\phi^3## theory, if needed.
 

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