Dimensional Analysis and wave theory

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The discussion revolves around dimensional analysis in the context of wave theory, specifically focusing on the relationship between the speed of capillary waves and the properties of the fluid through which they propagate, including density, wavelength, and surface tension.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to establish a relationship between the velocity of the wave and the variables using dimensional analysis, questioning the correctness of their dimensional expressions and the resulting equations.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on manipulating the dimensional expressions, while others are exploring the implications of their derived equations. There is an ongoing examination of the relationships between the variables and the consistency of the resulting equations.

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Participants are navigating through potential misunderstandings regarding dimensional expressions and their implications for the values of x, y, and z in the equation relating wave velocity to fluid properties.

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Homework Statement



From Wave theory it is found that the only properties of the wave and the medium that the wave travels across that may determine the speed of propagation of the wave v are the density ρ of the fluid the wave travels across, the wavelength λ of the wave, and the surface tension S of the fluid. Given that k is a dimensionless constant, find the dependence of the velocity of the capillary wave on the density and surface tension of the fluid and the wavelength of the wave using dimensional analysis. I.e., find the values x, y, z in the relation v = k ρx λy Sz.

The answer should be [tex]x=-0.5, y=-0.5, z=0.5[/tex].

The Attempt at a Solution



[tex]v=k \rho^x \lambda^y s^z[/tex]

· λ is the wavelength so it has dimension L.

· ρ is the density which is mass/volume, so it has dimension [tex]\frac{m}{L^3}[/tex].

· S is the tension which is a force, using the formula F=ma we can see that it has dimension [tex]m \frac{L}{T^2}[/tex].

· v is the velocity and has dimension [tex]\frac{L}{T}[/tex].

So

[tex]\frac{L}{T}=(\frac{m}{L^3})^x (L)^y (m\frac{L}{T^2})^z[/tex]

Is this correct so far? And how do I need to continue? I tried multiplying the terms together and then equating it with LHS to figure out the x,y,z but this doesn't seem to work.
 
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Yes that should work. But remember that (a/b)n=an/bn.

So redo the m/L3 and L/T2
 
What do you mean by redoing m/L3 and L/T2? L/T2 is the dimension for acceleration & I believe m/L3 should be dimension for density.
 
roam said:
What do you mean by redoing m/L3 and L/T2? L/T2 is the dimension for acceleration & I believe m/L3 should be dimension for density.

ρx=(m/L3)x=mx/L3x, not mx/L3
 
rock.freak667 said:
ρx=(m/L3)x=mx/L3x, not mx/L3

[tex]\frac{L}{T}= \frac{m^x}{L^{3x}}.L^y.m^z \left( \frac{L^z}{T^{2z}} \right)[/tex]

[tex]\frac{L}{T}= \frac{m^xL^ym^zL^z}{L^{3x}T^{2z}}[/tex]

So, I have these equations

x+z =0
y+z=1
2z=1
3x=0

From the third one it is clear that z=0.5 (correct answer). Since z=0.5, then from the first equation x=-0.5 (correct answer). The last equation doesn't make any sense because [tex]x \neq 0[/tex]. And the second equation gives y=0.5 but this wrong since y must be -0.5.

Is there anything wrong with what I'm doing?
 
You should only get three equations, your second equation should be

y+z-3x=0.

bring all the Ls to the numerator.
 

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