Dimensional analysis (Speed of sound)

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The discussion revolves around dimensional analysis related to the speed of sound in gases and the deformation of a circular rod under torsion. Participants are exploring how various physical quantities such as pressure, density, shear modulus, and geometric dimensions relate to these phenomena.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants are attempting to derive relationships using dimensional analysis, questioning the placement and role of dimensionless constants in their equations.

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Some participants are clarifying the role of the dimensionless constant k in their expressions for the speed of sound, while others are exploring the implications of rearranging their equations. The discussion on the torsion problem indicates a potential gap in understanding the relationship between the angle of deformation and the applied moment.

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Participants are working under the constraints of homework rules, which may limit the information they can use or the methods they can apply. There is an ongoing exploration of assumptions related to the physical properties involved in both problems.

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Speed of sound

The speed of sound c in a gas depends on among other things on the pressure on the gas, the density and probably, possibly on their viscosity. Determine c-

My Variable list:

Pressure p ML^-1T^-2
Density ρ ML^-3
Speed v LT^-1

My matrix:

| | M | L | T |
| p | 1 | -1 | -2 |
| ρ | 1 | -3 | 0 |
| v | 0 | 1 | -1 |

after a couple of row reductions i got it to be:

k = P/(ρv^2) (pi=k)(k = constant)

The answer should be v = k(P/ρ)^(1/2)

I'm doing it right?
 
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Firben said:
Speed of sound

The speed of sound c in a gas depends on among other things on the pressure on the gas, the density and probably, possibly on their viscosity. Determine c-

My Variable list:

Pressure p ML^-1T^-2
Density ρ ML^-3
Speed v LT^-1

My matrix:

| | M | L | T |
| p | 1 | -1 | -2 |
| ρ | 1 | -3 | 0 |
| v | 0 | 1 | -1 |

after a couple of row reductions i got it to be:

k = P/(ρv^2) (pi=k)(k = constant)

The answer should be v = k(P/ρ)^(1/2)

I'm doing it right?

Your answer is essentially equivalent, except you've not rearranged it to get the velocity on the LHS, as required. Remember that k is just an arbitrary dimensionless constant, if you bring it to the other side and have to take the reciprocal, just replace it with another arbitrary dimensionless constant.
 
But then i will get:
kv^2=P/ρ => kv=√(P/ρ) =>v = (√(P/ρ))/k which is not equal to v = k√(P/ρ)
 
Firben said:
But then i will get:
kv^2=P/ρ => kv=√(P/ρ) =>v = (√(P/ρ))/k which is not equal to v = k√(P/ρ)

That's why I said k doesn't really "matter" - it's just a dimensionless constant. Just replace (1/k) in your expression with K (another constant). Even better, *start* with K in your derivation, and then replace 1/K with k, to get the exact same expression as the expected solution.

Remember, k (or K) is just an arbitrary dimensionless constant. If you move it around, reciprocate it, square it, etc., just replace it with another constant in the final expression to make it "neat".
 
Torsion

when a homogeneous circular rod is subjected to a torsional moment M it will deform. (The rod is fastened at the bottom). A measure of deformation is the angle θ with which the upper end is rotated.

Determine a relation between θ and M and the other quantities

My variable list:

Mach number M 1 (dimensionless)
Shear modulus G ML^-1T^-2
Angle θ 1 (dimensionless)
Radius r L
Height s L

My matrix

| |M|L|T|
|M|0|0|0|
|G|1|-1|-2|
|θ|0|0|0|
|r|0|1|0|
|s|0|1|0|

It should be θ = Φ((M/Gr^3), s/r)

Ss there something missing here ?
 

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