Dirac notation for conjugacy class

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The discussion revolves around the application of Dirac notation in the context of the adjoint representation of Lie groups, specifically SU(3), and its relation to quantum mechanics and gluons. Participants are exploring the mathematical relationships and representations involved in these concepts.

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  • Participants are attempting to relate the adjoint representation of a Lie group to Dirac notation, questioning the equivalence of certain mathematical expressions. There is exploration of the nature of the matrices involved and their dimensions, as well as the interpretation of quantum states in this context.

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Some participants have provided clarifications regarding the nature of the matrices and the representations, while others are questioning their understanding of the relationships between the mathematical constructs and their physical interpretations. There is an ongoing exploration of how these concepts interrelate without a clear consensus yet.

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There is a noted confusion regarding the dimensions and types of matrices involved, as well as the proper interpretation of Dirac notation in this specific context. Participants are also addressing the implications of the adjoint representation and the construction of singlet states from various representations.

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Is the RHS of the conjugate relationship

Ad(g)x = gxg-1

from the Lie algebra equivalent to:

<g|λ|g>

In the Dirac notation of quantum mechanics?

I am looking at this in the context of gluons where g is a 3 x 1 basis matrix consisting of components r,g,b, g-1 is a 1 x 3 matrix consisting of components r*,g*,b* and λ is anyone of the 8 Gell-Mann matrices.
 
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Please provide a reference to where your notation is taken from and define x.
 
g is not a 3x1 matrix. It is an element of the Lie group. The representation is the adjoint representation, which is a representation of a Lie group on its Lie algebra. In the case of SU(3), g is therefore a unitary 3x3 matrix with determinant one.

Edit: Note that the gluon representation of SU(3) is an 8-dimensional one (the adjoint representation of SU(N) is N^2-1-dimensional). The corresponding colour combinations are the traceless colour-anticolour combinations.
 
OK. I think I may be confusing things.

\[ \left(\begin{pmatrix} r* & g* & b* \end{pmatrix}λi\begin{pmatrix} r \\ g \\ b \end{pmatrix}\right)\]

appears to produce the QM superposition states for the gluons. if g has to be a 3 x 3 invertible matrix then this has to be the bra-ket interpretation. Correct?
 
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No, this does not have to do with the braket notation. It has to do with how you can construct an SU(3) singlet from an 8-, a 3-, and a 3*-representation.
 
nigelscott said:
OK. I think I may be confusing things.

\begin{pmatrix} r* & g* & b* \end{pmatrix}λi\begin{pmatrix} r \\ g \\ b \end{pmatrix}

appears to produce the QM superposition states for the gluons. if g has to be a 3 x 3 invertible matrix then this has to be the bra-ket interpretation. Correct?
 
OK. Sorry about the formatting in the previous response. I think I get it now. The product of λ with a column vector gives another column vector. This column vector gets multiplied by the complex conjugate matrix which can be written as a column or row vector. Either way this operation is the tensor product 3 ⊗ 3bar which decomposes into the 1 ⊕ 8. Correct?
 

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