Dirac spinor and antiparticles

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the properties and implications of Dirac spinors in the context of particle physics, particularly regarding electrons and positrons. Participants explore the structure of Dirac spinors, their components, and the implications of Lorentz invariance in relation to chiral theories.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the electron field as a superposition of two Dirac spinors, questioning the necessity of both to account for electrons and positrons and how the Dirac equation influences the number of components.
  • Another participant explains that the Dirac equation in momentum space leads to a condition on the spinors, resulting in only two independent components for each spinor, effectively reducing the degrees of freedom.
  • Further contributions clarify that the 4x4 nature of the Dirac equation relates to parity conservation and that both u(p) and v(p) have two independent components due to the mass-energy relation.
  • A follow-up question raises concerns about chiral theories violating improper Lorentz invariance and whether this poses a problem for physical theories.
  • Responses indicate that while chiral theories do not preserve parity, it is consistent for a theory to be invariant under proper Lorentz transformations while not under parity transformations.
  • One participant notes that the weak interaction does not conserve parity, suggesting that Nature can indeed violate certain symmetries.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of chiral theories and Lorentz invariance, indicating that there is no consensus on whether the violation of parity poses a fundamental problem for physical theories.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the implications of the Dirac equation and the nature of chirality without resolving the complexities of how these concepts interact with established physical laws.

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An electron field is a superposition of two four-component Dirac spinors, one of them multiplied with a creation operator and an exponential with negative energy, the other multiplied with an annihilation operator and an exponential with positive energy.

So I assume one Dirac spinor creates a particle (electron), the other annihaltes an antiparticle (positron). The conjugated electron field does vice versa.

But then each of these two spinors consists of two Weyl spinors, i.e. each Dirac spinor represents two electrons (up and down or left-chiral and right-chiral) and two positrons (up and down or left-chiral and right-chiral).

So why do we need then two Dirac spinors (a superposition of them) to account for electrons and positrons? How and why do these 8 (2x4) components describe electrons and positrons? Does the Dirac equation restrict and reduce the number of compents somewhat? How?


thank you
 
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Yes, it's the Dirac equation. In momentum space it is

##(p_\mu \gamma^\mu + m) \psi(p) = 0##.

If you write out the form of the Dirac field in terms of creation and annihilation operators, this gives a condition on the 4-component spinors that multiply the creation and annihilation operators. Namely, ##u(p)## has to satisfy the momentum-space Dirac equation, and ##\bar{v}(p)## has to satisfy its adjoint. For a given ##p##, this 4x4 matrix equation only has two solutions (the 4x4 matrix on the left-hand side has two zero eigenvalues). As a result, each of these 4-component spinors only really has two independent components. This gets rid of half of the degrees of freedom. Only 4 remain, as expected.
 
(1) 4×4 in Dirac equation is the requirement of parity conservation (Lorentz group representation).}
(2) secondly, in momentum space,according to mass-energy relation to which every component of spinor should obey, both u(p) and v(p) have two independent component, not four, as explained by The_Duck
(3) The choice of v(p) usually consider the charge conjugation, see book by Peskin
 
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Thank you!

A follow-up question. Only the four-component Dirac spinor preserves parity and thus also improper Lorentz transformations. So chiral theories violate (improper) Lorentz invariance. Isn't that somewhat a problem, i.e. does not Nature always and anywhere demand Lorentz invariance to be kept?
 
Lapidus said:
So chiral theories violate (improper) Lorentz invariance. Isn't that somewhat a problem, i.e. does not Nature always and anywhere demand Lorentz invariance to be kept?
Be sure here lorentz transformation can be build up from infinitesimal ones i.e. parity is not a lorentz transformation.Weyl spinors since refer to a different chirality they don't preserve parity since they are either left handed or right handed. dirac spinor is however parity preserving.
 
Lapidus said:
So chiral theories violate (improper) Lorentz invariance. Isn't that somewhat a problem, i.e. does not Nature always and anywhere demand Lorentz invariance to be kept?

We can't deduce the symmetry group of Nature a priori: Nature can violate parity if she wants to. And apparently she does: parity is not a symmetry of the weak interaction. It's perfectly consistent for a theory to be invariant under all proper Lorentz transformations but not invariant under parity transformations.

As a side note, most people would call the weak interaction "Lorentz invariant" without a second thought, so when people say "Lorentz invariant" they are not necessarily requiring invariance under improper Lorentz transformations.
 

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