Dirac Wave Function: Schrodinger Equation Coupling

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The discussion revolves around the differences between the wave functions that couple to the Dirac equation and those that couple to the Schrödinger equation. It explores theoretical implications, physical interpretations, and the context of particle creation and destruction in relativistic quantum mechanics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the wave function for the Dirac equation is different from that of the Schrödinger equation, primarily due to the Dirac equation's solutions being bispinors and following relativistic transformation rules.
  • Others argue that the Dirac wave function has a fundamentally different physical meaning and cannot be easily interpreted as a wave function in the nonrelativistic sense, particularly because of the implications of particle creation and destruction at relativistic energies.
  • A participant mentions that single-particle relativistic quantum mechanics is inconsistent in the context of fundamental interactions, referencing Klein's paradox as an example of this inconsistency.
  • There is a question raised about the interpretation of wave functions in the context of scattering processes and whether these processes refer to particle collisions, indicating a lack of clarity on the relationship between particle creation/destruction and wave function interpretation.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of Fock Space and the QFT formalism, suggesting that the non-fixed nature of particle numbers is an inevitable consequence of combining relativity with quantum mechanics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation and implications of the Dirac wave function compared to the Schrödinger wave function. There is no consensus on the ease of interpretation of the Dirac wave function or the implications of particle creation and destruction in scattering processes.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations in understanding arise from the complexities of relativistic quantum mechanics and the implications of particle number variability in quantum field theory. The discussion does not resolve these complexities.

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Hi, is the wave function that couples to the Dirac equation the same as that which couples to the Schrödinger equation? Thanks.
 
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No, it's different, the biggest difference is that the Dirac equation has a bispinor as a solution. But generally the Dirac wavefunctions follow relativistic transformation rules, the Schroedinger ones are Galileian.
 
In addition, it has a completely different physical meaning. It cannot be interpreted easily as a "wave function" like in nonrelativistic physics. The reason is that at relativistic energies, you always can create and destroy particles in scattering processes. The Dirac equations solutions are Dirac-spinor fields. They are best interpreted in their quantized form, leading to relativistic quantum-field theory, because this is the most elegant way to describe particle creation and destruction or, more generally, many-body systems in quantum theory.
 
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Yes. Though I didn't want to stress that because single-particle relativistic QM, inconsistent as it is in the fundamental interactions context, has consequences like Klein's paradox that actually show up in solid state physics iirc.
 
Well, the Klein paradox occurs precisely because of the problems when enforcing a single-particle interpretation!
 
vanhees71 said:
In addition, it has a completely different physical meaning. It cannot be interpreted easily as a "wave function" like in nonrelativistic physics. The reason is that at relativistic energies, you always can create and destroy particles in scattering processes. The Dirac equations solutions are Dirac-spinor fields. They are best interpreted in their quantized form, leading to relativistic quantum-field theory, because this is the most elegant way to describe particle creation and destruction or, more generally, many-body systems in quantum theory.

I don't quite understand why if particles can be created and destroyed in scattering processes at relativistic energies we can't easily interpret it as a wave function? Also by scattering processes are you referring to particle collisions?
 
jamie.j1989 said:
I don't quite understand why if particles can be created and destroyed in scattering processes at relativistic energies we can't easily interpret it as a wave function? Also by scattering processes are you referring to particle collisions?

If particle numbers are not fixed you have a Fock Space and the QFT formalism.

Its inevitable when you combine it with relativity that particle numbers are not fixed - see for example section 8.3 of:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/019969933X/?tag=pfamazon01-20

Thanks
Bill
 
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