Directly Finite and Directly Infinite R-Modules - Bland S2.2

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The discussion revolves around understanding concepts related to directly finite and directly infinite R-modules as presented in Paul E. Bland's book "Rings and Their Modules," specifically in Section 2.2 concerning free modules. Participants seek clarification on examples provided in the text, particularly regarding isomorphisms involving the module M and homomorphisms between these modules.

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  • Peter questions how it is established that if M = ⊕ ℤ, then M ≅ M ⊕ M, seeking a rigorous explanation.
  • Peter also asks for formal justification of the isomorphisms involving Hom(M, M) and Hom(M, M ⊕ M).
  • Some participants propose that splitting ℕ into even and odd numbers allows for the construction of bijections that demonstrate the isomorphism between ⊕ ℤ and (⊕ ℤ) ⊕ (⊕ ℤ).
  • A participant explains that a homomorphism φ in Hom(M, M ⊕ M) can be decomposed into two components, leading to the required isomorphism.
  • Another participant suggests a specific mapping to establish the isomorphism between ⊕ ℤ and (⊕2ℕ ℤ) ⊕ (⊕2ℕ+1 ℤ).

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Participants express differing levels of understanding regarding the isomorphisms and the formal justification of the relationships between the modules. There is no consensus on the clarity of the explanations provided, and some questions remain unresolved.

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Participants note the need for detailed expansions of bijections and mappings to fully grasp the isomorphisms discussed. The discussion highlights the complexity of the relationships between the modules and the homomorphisms, which may depend on specific definitions and assumptions.

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I am reading Paul E. Bland's book "Rings and Their Modules ...

Currently I am focused on Section 2.2 Free Modules ... ...

I need some help in order to fully understand Bland's Example on page 56 concerning directly finite and directly infinite R-modules ... ...

Bland's Example on page 56 reads as follows:
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Question 1

In the above Example from Bland's text we read the following:" ... ... If ##M = \bigoplus_\mathbb{N} \mathbb{Z}##, then it follows that ##M \cong M \oplus M## ... ... "How ... exactly ... do we know that it follows that ##M \cong M \oplus M## ... ... ?

Question 2In the above Example from Bland's text we read the following:" ... ...##R = \text{ Hom}_\mathbb{Z} (M, M) \cong \text{ Hom}_\mathbb{Z} (M, M \oplus M )####\cong \text{ Hom}_\mathbb{Z} (M, M) \oplus \text{ Hom}_\mathbb{Z} (M, M)####\cong R \oplus R## ... ... "Although the above relationships look intuitively reasonable ... how do we know ... formally and rigorously that:

##\text{ Hom}_\mathbb{Z} (M, M) \cong \text{ Hom}_\mathbb{Z} (M, M \oplus M )##

##\cong \text{ Hom}_\mathbb{Z} (M, M) \oplus \text{ Hom}_\mathbb{Z} (M, M)##Hope someone can help ...

Peter
 

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Math Amateur said:
I am reading Paul E. Bland's book "Rings and Their Modules ...

Currently I am focused on Section 2.2 Free Modules ... ...

I need some help in order to fully understand Bland's Example on page 56 concerning directly finite and directly infinite R-modules ... ...

Bland's Example on page 56 reads as follows:
?temp_hash=f1e054a86dd4996d5bffefa455ffb1d1.png
Question 1

In the above Example from Bland's text we read the following:" ... ... If ##M = \bigoplus_\mathbb{N} \mathbb{Z}##, then it follows that ##M \cong M \oplus M## ... ... "How ... exactly ... do we know that it follows that ##M \cong M \oplus M## ... ... ?

Question 2In the above Example from Bland's text we read the following:" ... ...##R = \text{ Hom}_\mathbb{Z} (M, M) \cong \text{ Hom}_\mathbb{Z} (M, M \oplus M )####\cong \text{ Hom}_\mathbb{Z} (M, M) \oplus \text{ Hom}_\mathbb{Z} (M, M)####\cong R \oplus R## ... ... "Although the above relationships look intuitively reasonable ... how do we know ... formally and rigorously that:

##\text{ Hom}_\mathbb{Z} (M, M) \cong \text{ Hom}_\mathbb{Z} (M, M \oplus M )##

##\cong \text{ Hom}_\mathbb{Z} (M, M) \oplus \text{ Hom}_\mathbb{Z} (M, M)##Hope someone can help ...

Peter
If you split ##ℕ## in even and odd numbers you get two copies which are as big as ##ℕ## is. Thus you can "double" your basis index set without gaining or losing something. Set up the bijections between ##ℕ## and ##2ℕ## and ##ℕ## and ##2ℕ + 1## and expand them to the isomorphism ##⊕_{ℕ} ℤ ≅ (⊕_{ℕ} ℤ) ⊕ (⊕_{ℕ} ℤ)##.

The first isomorphism in question 2 is clear, because it is simply the substitution of ##M## by ##M⊕M## as developed in question 1.
So it remains to show that ##\text{ Hom}_\mathbb{Z} (M, M \oplus M ) \cong \text{ Hom}_\mathbb{Z} (M, M) \oplus \text{ Hom}_\mathbb{Z} (M, M).##
Take a homomorphism ##φ \in \text{ Hom}_\mathbb{Z} (M, M \oplus M )##. Then every image ##φ(m)## splits into two components ##φ_i(m) \; : \; φ(m) = φ_1(m) + φ_2(m)## or as a vector ##φ(m) = (φ_1(m) , φ_2(m)).##
Then each ##φ_i## is a homomorphism of ##M## and ##φ = φ_1 + φ_2 = (φ_1 , φ_2)## which establishes the required isomorphism.
 
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If you split ##ℕ## in even and odd numbers you get two copies which are as big as ##ℕ## is. Thus you can "double" your basis index set without gaining or losing something. Set up the bijections between ##ℕ## and ##2ℕ## and ##ℕ## and ##2ℕ + 1## and expand them to the isomorphism ##⊕_{ℕ} ℤ ≅ (⊕_{ℕ} ℤ) ⊕ (⊕_{ℕ} ℤ)##.

The first isomorphism in question 2 is clear, because it is simply the substitution of ##M## by ##M⊕M## as developed in question 1.
So it remains to show that ##\text{ Hom}_\mathbb{Z} (M, M \oplus M ) \cong \text{ Hom}_\mathbb{Z} (M, M) \oplus \text{ Hom}_\mathbb{Z} (M, M).##
Take a homomorphism ##φ \in \text{ Hom}_\mathbb{Z} (M, M \oplus M )##. Then every image ##φ(m)## splits into two components ##φ_i(m) \; : \; φ(m) = φ_1(m) + φ_2(m)## or as a vector ##φ(m) = (φ_1(m) , φ_2(m)).##
Then each ##φ_i## is a homomorphism of ##M## and ##φ = φ_1 + φ_2 = (φ_1 , φ_2)## which establishes the required isomorphism.
Thanks for the help, fresh_42 ... appreciate your help ...

Sorry to be slow in replying ... been traveling ...

You write:

" ... ... If you split ##ℕ## in even and odd numbers you get two copies which are as big as ##ℕ## is. Thus you can "double" your basis index set without gaining or losing something. Set up the bijections between ##ℕ## and ##2ℕ## and ##ℕ## and ##2ℕ + 1## and expand them to the isomorphism ##⊕_{ℕ} ℤ ≅ (⊕_{ℕ} ℤ) ⊕ (⊕_{ℕ} ℤ)## ... ... "So ... you define two functions ##\psi_1## and ##\psi_2## as follows:

## \psi_1 \ : \ \mathbb{N} \longrightarrow 2 \mathbb{N} \ \text{ where } \psi_1 (x) = 2x ##

and

## \psi_2 \ : \ \mathbb{N} \longrightarrow 2 \mathbb{N} + 1 \ \text{ where } \psi_2 (x) = 2x + 1##These are both isomorphisms ... BUT ... how exactly (details?) do we expand them to the isomorphism ##⊕_{ℕ} ℤ ≅ (⊕_{ℕ} ℤ) ⊕ (⊕_{ℕ} ℤ)## ... ... ?Can you help ... ?

Peter
 
Hi Peter!

You can settle an isomorphism ##⊕_{ℕ} ℤ ≅ (⊕_{2ℕ} ℤ) ⊕ (⊕_{2ℕ+1} ℤ)## by the following map:

If ##a_n## denotes an element ##a## at the ##n##-th position, i.e. an element of ## ⊕_{ℕ} ℤ##, then we map it to ##(a_{2k},0)## if ##n=2k## is even and to ##(0,a_{2k+1})## if ##n=2k+1## is odd. Again the index only shows the position of ##a## and I wrote the elements of ##(⊕_{2ℕ} ℤ) ⊕ (⊕_{2ℕ+1} ℤ)## as pairs. It doesn't matter, you could write it as well as a sum. I simply felt that ##a_{2k}+ 0## might be confusing.

So it remains to show that, e.g. ##⊕_{ℕ} ℤ ≅ ⊕_{2ℕ} ℤ##. This could be done by mapping ##a_n## to ##a_{2n}##.
 
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fresh_42 said:
Hi Peter!

You can settle an isomorphism ##⊕_{ℕ} ℤ ≅ (⊕_{2ℕ} ℤ) ⊕ (⊕_{2ℕ+1} ℤ)## by the following map:

If ##a_n## denotes an element ##a## at the ##n##-th position, i.e. an element of ## ⊕_{ℕ} ℤ##, then we map it to ##(a_{2k},0)## if ##n=2k## is even and to ##(0,a_{2k+1})## if ##n=2k+1## is odd. Again the index only shows the position of ##a## and I wrote the elements of ##(⊕_{2ℕ} ℤ) ⊕ (⊕_{2ℕ+1} ℤ)## as pairs. It doesn't matter, you could write it as well as a sum. I simply felt that ##a_{2k}+ 0## might be confusing.

So it remains to show that, e.g. ##⊕_{ℕ} ℤ ≅ ⊕_{2ℕ} ℤ##. This could be done by mapping ##a_n## to ##a_{2n}##.
Thanks for the help, fresh_42 ...

Peter
 

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