Discrete Mathematics : Counting and Probability

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The discussion revolves around counting and probability problems in discrete mathematics. The original poster presents three distinct questions involving combinatorial choices and distributions, including selecting pens for exam questions, distributing fruits among children, and partitioning indistinguishable apples into boxes.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the fundamental principle of counting in relation to the first question, with some confusion about the correct application of choices for each question. There is also discussion about the distribution of fruits, with attempts to clarify the total number of objects involved. The third question prompts questions about partitioning indistinguishable items.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problems, questioning assumptions, and seeking clarification on concepts. Some guidance has been offered regarding the counting principle and the distribution of objects, but there is no explicit consensus on the correct approaches yet.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted requirement that each child must receive at least one banana in the second question, which influences the distribution method. Additionally, the distinction between distinguishable and indistinguishable items is under discussion in the context of the third question.

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Homework Statement


Question 1:
a) Suppose you have brought four pens of different colours to the exam. For each of the ten question on the exam, you choose one pen. In how many ways can this be done?

b) In how many ways can you distribute six bananas and five oranges between three children so that each child receives at least one banana?

c) Suppose you have eight apples which you wish to put in five boxes. How many possible outcomes are there if the apples are not distinguished from each other, but the boxes are?


Homework Equations



a) For this, I take you just go 10x4 = 40.

b) I assumed you consider there to be only 10 objects after taking into account each has to have a banana, hence 10! / (10-3)! = 720

c) I have no clue how to do this bit.


The Attempt at a Solution



Kindly have a look at what I have attempted and correct me if I'm wrong. Thanks!
 
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valianth1 said:

Homework Statement


Question 1:
a) Suppose you have brought four pens of different colours to the exam. For each of the ten question on the exam, you choose one pen. In how many ways can this be done?

b) In how many ways can you distribute six bananas and five oranges between three children so that each child receives at least one banana?

c) Suppose you have eight apples which you wish to put in five boxes. How many possible outcomes are there if the apples are not distinguished from each other, but the boxes are?


Homework Equations



a) For this, I take you just go 10x4 = 40.
No. You have four choices for the first question, four choices for the second, etc. What does the "fundamental principle of counting" tell you about that?

b) I assumed you consider there to be only 10 objects after taking into account each has to have a banana, hence 10! / (10-3)! = 720
Ten objects? There are six bananas and five oranges, a total of 11 objects. After you assign one banana to each child there area three bananas and five oranges, a total of 8 objects.

c) I have no clue how to do this bit.
Since the apples are "indistinguishable", it is a question of "partitioning" the number 8. How many different ways can you find 5 non-negative integers that add to 8. The order is relevant.


The Attempt at a Solution



Kindly have a look at what I have attempted and correct me if I'm wrong. Thanks![/QUOTE]
 
I'm too dense for "fundamental principle of counting" please explain. If there are 10 questions and I have 4 choices for each question, I take it you have 40 choices in total.

For the 2nd part, it should be 8!/(8-3)! = 336

I'm still lost with the third part prof. Thanks for helping me !
 
valianth1 said:
I'm too dense for "fundamental principle of counting" please explain. If there are 10 questions and I have 4 choices for each question, I take it you have 40 choices in total.

For the 2nd part, it should be 8!/(8-3)! = 336

I'm still lost with the third part prof. Thanks for helping me !

Look at the simpler case of 2 questions with 4 choices each. For each choice of answer on Question 1 you have 4 possible choices of answer for Question 2, so you have 4x4 = 16 choices altogether.

RGV
 

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