Discrete time system that is homogenous but not additive

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The discussion revolves around the properties of discrete time systems, specifically focusing on the existence of a system that is homogeneous but not additive. Participants explore the implications of linearity in relation to these properties through examples and proposed definitions.

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  • One participant questions whether a discrete time system can be homogeneous without being additive, indicating a focus on linearity criteria.
  • Another participant provides examples of non-additive systems, such as the mappings ##x \mapsto x^2## and ##x \mapsto \sin(x)##, to clarify the concept of homogeneity.
  • A participant states the linearity condition involving both additivity and homogeneity, suggesting that both properties must hold for a system to be considered linear.
  • A proposed system definition is presented, where the mapping depends on the equality of the first two elements of the input sequence, demonstrating that it can be homogeneous while failing to be additive.
  • The verification of homogeneity for the proposed system is detailed through various cases based on the values of the input sequence and a scalar multiplier.
  • Examples are provided to illustrate the non-additivity of the proposed system, showing how it behaves differently for individual inputs compared to their sum.

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Participants express differing views on the definitions and implications of homogeneity and additivity, with no consensus reached on the existence of such a system. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the broader implications of these properties.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the definitions of homogeneity and additivity, as well as the specific behavior of the proposed system under different conditions. There are unresolved aspects regarding the implications of these properties on system linearity.

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I have just started working with discrete time signals, more specifically various system properties. I am wondering if their is a discrete time system that is homogeneous but not additive? This is basically testing the linearity of a signal with the additive and homogeneous criteria.
 
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What does homogeneous mean in this context? Simple examples of non-additive systems would be ##x \mapsto x^2##, ##x \mapsto \sin(x)## and so forth.
 
T{x1[n] +x2[n]} = T{x1[n]} + T{x2[n]}

It is using linear to algebra to see if the system is linear. It has to be both have the additivity and homogeneous/scaling property
 
What if you define something like
$$T(x[n]) = \begin{cases}x[n] & \text{ if }x[0] \neq x[1] \\
0 & \text{ if }x[0] = x[1]\end{cases}$$
In other words, ##T## maps the sequence ##\{x[n]\}## to itself if ##x[0] \neq x[1]##, and it maps ##\{x[n]\}## to the zero sequence if ##x[0] = x[1]##.

Verification that ##T## is homogeneous is straightforward.

Case 1: ##c = 0##. Then clearly ##cx[0] = cx[1]##, so ##T(cx[n]) = 0 = cT(x[n])##.

Case 2: ##c \neq 0## and ##x[0] \neq x[1]##. Then ##cx[0] \neq cx[1]##, so ##T(cx[n]) = cx[n] = cT(x[n])##.

Case 3: ##c \neq 0## and ##x[0] = x[1]##. Then ##cx[0] = cx[1]##, so ##T(cx[n]) = 0 = cT(x[n])##.

On the other hand, ##T## is not additive. For example, let
$$x_1[n] = \begin{cases}1 & \text{ if }n = 0 \\
0 & \text{ if }n \neq 0\end{cases}$$
$$x_2[n] = \begin{cases}1 & \text{ if }n = 1 \\
0 & \text{ if }n \neq 1\end{cases}$$
Then ##T## maps ##\{x_1[n]\}## to itself, and ##\{x_2[n]\}## to itself, but ##T## maps ##\{x_1[n] + x_2[n]\}## to the zero sequence.
 

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