Discussion on Astronomical Prime Numbers and Re-evaluating the Primali

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the concept of Astronomical Prime Numbers and the reevaluation of the primality of the number 1. Participants explore the implications of redefining 1 as a prime number and its potential impact on prime number theory, particularly in relation to finding large primes and its applications in cryptography.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes redefining the number 1 as a prime number, suggesting that this could lead to new methodologies in identifying large primes.
  • Another participant argues that considering 1 as a prime number is insignificant and implies that if 1 were prime, it would lead to all numbers being composite, thus negating the existence of prime numbers.
  • A different participant reiterates the argument that if 1 were prime, it would contradict the definition of prime numbers, emphasizing that 1 is not considered prime by modern mathematical convention.
  • One participant mentions that allowing units to be prime would undermine the concept of prime ideals and that excluding units is crucial for meaningful work with primes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the significance of considering 1 as a prime number, with some dismissing the idea as trivial while others explore its implications. The discussion remains unresolved, with competing views on the matter.

Contextual Notes

The discussion touches on historical conventions in mathematics regarding primality and the implications of redefining fundamental concepts. There are references to the complexity of factorization and the challenges associated with prime number identification.

Charles Kusniec
Subject: Discussion on Astronomical Prime Numbers and Re-evaluating the Primality of the Number 1

Dear Members of the Physics Forum,

I hope this message finds you well. I've been avidly exploring various discussions on prime numbers and came across an intriguing thread on your forum titled "Is This Simple Algorithm the Key to Finding the Next Largest Prime Number?" ([Physics Forums Thread](https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/is-this-simple-algorithm-the-key-to-finding-the-next-largest-prime-number.843519/)). This discussion, coupled with insights from post #27 of the thread at the Mersenne Forum ([Mersenne Forum Thread](https://www.mersenneforum.org/showthread.php?t=27328&page=3)), has prompted me to propose a novel approach to identifying Astronomical Prime Numbers of any size.

Central to my approach is a reconsideration of the primality status of the number 1. Traditional mathematical conventions exclude 1 from the set of prime numbers. However, I believe that redefining 1 as a prime number could offer new perspectives and methodologies in prime number theory, particularly in the context of searching for extremely large prime numbers.

This idea, admittedly, challenges long-established norms in number theory. Yet, it opens a gateway to potentially groundbreaking techniques in identifying large primes, a topic of immense interest not only for its mathematical elegance but also for its practical applications in fields such as cryptography.

I am keen on discussing this concept further with the esteemed members of this forum. Your insights, critiques, and contributions would be invaluable in exploring the feasibility and implications of this approach. If this topic resonates with your interests, I would be honored to initiate a detailed discussion here.

Looking forward to an engaging and enlightening exchange of ideas.

Best regards,
 
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Whether we consider 1 as a prime number or not is of no significance whatsoever.
 
PeroK said:
Whether we consider 1 as a prime number or not is of no significance whatsoever.
If one were a prime number then all numbers would be composite, including one. There would be no prime numbers.
 
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Hornbein said:
If one were a prime number then all numbers would be composite, including one. There would be no prime numbers.
One is not a prime number by convention (in modern mathematics). There's a discussion on the history of the primality of one here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_number
 
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If we allowed units to be prime, then the concept of prime ideals in general and prime numbers in particular would become void. Units fulfill the primality condition trivially since they "divide" any number. Excluding units is of vital importance to work with primes in a meaningful way.

This thread will remain closed since ...
  • ... the debate of personal theories is against our rules,
  • ... it is based on unreasonable assumptions,
  • ... factorization (UPD) is as of current knowledge NP-hard,
  • ... if UPD was in P, then I'd smell a Fields medal lying around,
  • ... and it is extremely unlikely that this would happen on the internet.
 
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