From Aeon to Zeon to Zeit, simplifying the standard cosmic model

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the simplification of the flat matter-dominated ΛCDM model in cosmology, particularly focusing on a new unit of time called "zeon." Participants explore how using zeons can simplify calculations related to the expansion of the universe, including the relationships between redshift, distance, and expansion rates. The conversation includes examples and mathematical formulations without delving into theoretical justifications.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose using "zeons" as a natural unit of time based on the universe's expansion rate, suggesting it simplifies calculations compared to billions of Earth years.
  • Participants discuss how the stretch factor (s) of light from distant galaxies can be used to derive information about the universe's expansion rate and the age of the universe.
  • Mathematical formulas are presented to calculate the expansion rate (H) and the age of the universe (T) in zeons, with examples provided for clarity.
  • One participant notes that the current expansion rate is approximately 20% larger than the eventual constant rate (H∞), indicating a dynamic aspect of cosmic expansion.
  • There is a playful engagement with the concept of measuring distances and expansion rates based on stretch factors, with participants calculating historical expansion conditions based on hypothetical observations.
  • A later post introduces the hyperbolic cotangent function (coth) as a way to describe the expansion rate mathematically, emphasizing its relevance in the context of the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express enthusiasm for the concept of zeons, but there is no consensus on the broader implications or acceptance of this unit within the established cosmological framework. The discussion remains exploratory with various mathematical approaches and interpretations presented without resolution.

Contextual Notes

The discussion relies on specific mathematical formulations and assumptions about the universe's expansion, which may not be universally accepted or applicable in all cosmological contexts. The simplifications made may overlook complexities inherent in the early universe and the full implications of the ΛCDM model.

  • #271
Ok.I am in holiday and here there's really nothing to do.Nothing
 
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  • #272
I am guessing that your time zone is near UTC or european central. It is 8am pacific, so maybe where you live is 16h, or 4pm? or maybe 5 pm?
I don;t have anything I need to do for the next 2 hours.
We could take up another standard concept---the "particle horizon".
but I want your Mom to be happy.
 
  • #273
S=0 means infinty isn't it.I means S=1/a(t) If a(t) goes infinity S goes zero.
 
  • #274
Yes that's right, it is just another way to do the same integral, but without having to say "sinh"
Real world human relationships are obviously very very important. Please ignore what I say about particle horizon if there is a risk of making your mother unhappy. Any of this "horizon" business can wait till tomorrow or another day.

Let's try
((s/1.3)^3+1)^(-1/2) between 1 and inf
That is going back in time, from the present, back to very early (large S)

Yes! that works. That gives what cosmologists call the present "radius of the observable universe"
You can see it is 2.69.

It is the distance from us NOW of the farthest matter which could have sent us a signal, some light, some neutrinos, some gravity waves, anything, which is arriving today.

this distance is also called "particle horizon" because it is the farthest distance any particle can have traveled (helped by expansion) starting at the earliest time, at the beginning of expansion.

{\scriptsize\begin{array}{|r|r|r|r|r|r|r|r|r|r|r|r|r|r|r|r|} \hline a=1/S&S&T (zeit)&D_{now} (lzeit)&D_{then}(lzeit)&D_{hor}(lzeit)&D_{par}(lzeit) \\ \hline 1.000&1.000&0.796948&0.000000&0.000000&0.952155&2.675083\\ \hline \end{array}}
 
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  • #275
Yes We can do
 
  • #276
The problem is am a shy person .I don't have any friends.
 
  • #277
Ok.Lets do this not today.Maybe tomorrow.You can write what you need to write (so you can ready to teach me)
 
  • #278
Tomorrow is good. I live at the edge of the city near some open country, and some hills with only trees, grass, birds, deer,...
I walk.
It is good exercise. I sometimes get my neighbors to walk with me. It is easy to be with them when we are walking in Nature. looking at the sky and the hills, and the water. The purpose is to get some exercise. The neighbor knows it is for her good health or his good health. So there is a purpose to going on the walk. Either alone or with a companion. I will go walking this morning, with a neighbor who is a retired university professor. She used to teach language, or linguistics. It is an easy way to be with people, when there is a purpose, and a natural environment.
 
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