Displacement problem with unit vectors

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The discussion revolves around solving a displacement problem using unit vectors and the dot product. One participant successfully calculated a result using a specific method but encountered confusion with the dot product and vector magnitudes. They struggled to understand how to properly compute the component of one vector along another, particularly the significance of the denominator in the formula. Clarifications were provided about the dot product and the magnitude of vectors, leading to a better understanding of the calculations involved. The exchange highlights the complexities of working with vectors and the importance of grasping fundamental concepts in vector mathematics.
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In a meeting of mimes, mime 1 goes through a displacement d1 = (7.07 m)i + (3.94 m)j and and mime 2 goes through a displacement d2 = (-7.03 m)i + (4.1 m)j. What are (a)|d1 × d2|, (b)d1 · d2, (c)(d1 + d2) · d2, and (d) the component of d1 along the direction of d2?
Relevant Equations
a · b = ab *cos ϕ
a · b = ax*bx+ ay*by+az*bz
a = sqrt(ax^2+ay^2)
rx=ax+bx
rx=ax+bx
(a) I did (7.07*4.1)-(-7.03*3.94)=56.7 with this method I got this answer correct in my first attempt.

(b) This where I seem to have gone wrong. I used a · b = (axbx +ayby) then I used a = sqrt(ax2+ay2) to get a single number for the answer. Filling in the numbers 7.07*-7.03 + 4.94*4.1 = -49.7i+16.2j. Then sqrt(-49.2+16.22)=52.3

(c) I first solved for (d1 + d2) with ax+bx 7.07+-7.03 + 4.94+4.1 = -0.04i+8.04j. Then used those unit vectors in the same way as in part (b) to get 32.97

(d) This one I didn't understand at all, I gave it a shot by trying to solve d1 *cos ϕ. first trying to find ϕ by a · b = ab *cos ϕ
cos-1((a · b)/ab). Finding d1 and d2 by a = sqrt(ax2+ay2
d1=8.09
d2= 8.14
cos-1(52.3/8.09 * 8.14)=37.4

Then 8.14 cos 37.4= 6.43 mI just fundamentally don't understand vectors and really don't get how to do math with them. Any analyses of what I'm doing wrong, explanation and/or drawings would be appreciated.
 
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Ursa said:
(b) This where I seem to have gone wrong. I used a · b = (axbx +ayby) then I used a = sqrt(ax2+ay2) to get a single number for the answer. Filling in the numbers 7.07*-7.03 + 4.94*4.1 = -49.7i+16.2j. Then sqrt(-49.2+16.22)=52.3
The dot product is just a number so: ##\vec d_1 \cdot \vec d_2 = 7.07*-7.03 + 3.94*4.1 = -49.7+16.2##

Note that should be ##3.94## in there.

Ursa said:
(d) This one I didn't understand at all,
The component of one vector along another is what you get if you imagine taking the second vector as one of your basis vectors. Specifically, the component of ##\vec d_1## along ##\vec d_2## is defined as:
$$\frac{\vec d_1 \cdot \vec d_2}{|\vec d_2|}$$
 
PeroK said:
The dot product is just a number so: ##\vec d_1 \cdot \vec d_2 = 7.07*-7.03 + 3.94*4.1 = -49.7+16.2##
So in order to get the answer I should just add ##-49.7+16.2## to get ##-33.5##?

PeroK said:
The component of one vector along another is what you get if you imagine taking the second vector as one of your basis vectors. Specifically, the component of ##\vec d_1## along ##\vec d_2## is defined as:
$$\frac{\vec d_1 \cdot \vec d_2}{|\vec d_2|}$$
Once I grasp how to get ##\vec d_1 \cdot \vec d_2## correct I have the top part, but could you expand on what exactly the denominator is? Will is be the ##d_2## = 8.14 which I calculated in my attempt?
 
Ursa said:
So in order to get the answer I should just add ##-49.7+16.2## to get ##-33.5##?Once I grasp how to get ##\vec d_1 \cdot \vec d_2## correct I have the top part, but could you expand on what exactly the denominator is? Will is be the ##d_2## = 8.14 which I calculated in my attempt?
Yes, and yes. If ##\vec d## is a vector, then ##|\vec d| \equiv d \equiv \sqrt{\vec d \cdot \vec d}## where ##|\vec d|## and ##d## are both common notations for the magnitude of a vector.
 
PeroK said:
Yes, and yes. If ##\vec d## is a vector, then ##|\vec d| \equiv d \equiv \sqrt{\vec d \cdot \vec d}## where ##|\vec d|## and ##d## are both common notations for the magnitude of a vector.
Thank you, now I understand it a bit better.
 
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