Dissolving Zr and Y in nitric acid

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The discussion revolves around the dissolution of zirconium (Zr) and yttrium (Y) metals in concentrated nitric acid, focusing on the dissolution rates, methods, and potential challenges associated with using strong acids. Participants explore the conditions necessary for effective dissolution while considering safety and efficiency.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the known dissolution rate for Zr and Y in nitric acid, aiming to maintain high metal molarity and avoid overheating.
  • Another participant notes that the dissolution rate is highly dependent on the surface area of the metals, indicating that finely divided powders dissolve more rapidly than larger pieces.
  • A participant expresses a preference to avoid using metal powder due to violent reactions and seeks to calculate the minimum amount of acid required for dissolution.
  • Conflicting information is presented regarding the ability to dissolve Zr in nitric acid, with one participant stating that Zr cannot be dissolved in nitric or hydrochloric acid and suggesting alternatives like HF or a mixture of H2SO4/HCl.
  • There is a mention of the importance of the preparation method of Zr affecting its dissolution behavior.
  • A participant expresses interest in synthesizing zirconyl nitrate from the metal, indicating a desire for further exploration of this topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the dissolution of Zr in nitric acid, with multiple competing views on the effectiveness of different acids and methods remaining unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the dependence of dissolution rates on the physical form of the metals and the preparation methods, but specific assumptions and conditions for the dissolution process are not fully detailed.

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Hey all,

I have concentrated nitric acid (~70%), and I want to use it to dissolve Zr/Y metal. I've dissolved Y before, and I know it's as simple as putting metal into acid. The question I have, is there a known dissolution rate I should use to barely dissolve the metals in the acid? I wish to keep my metal molarity as high as possible in the finished solution. I also would like to avoid overheating of my mixture if possible. I know using concentrated acids can be tricky.

Any help would be appreciated.

M
 
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Dissolution rate is strongly dependent on the surface area of the metals. Finely divided powders dissolve much more rapidly than shavings which dissolve much faster than briquettes or large lumps of metal. There is no way to answer your question without more information.
 
That would make the time shorter, which I don't care about. I can grind down a sample of my Zr chunks into a powder type form, but I am trying to avoid powder. Dissolving metal powder in nitric acid is violent, so I was hoping to just be able to calculate the minimum amount of acid to dissolve X grams Zr and Y grams Y.

I calculate it should be about a 4 M H+/ 1 M metal total, but what is the best way to add the acid to the metal? Add all of the metal to a beaker and then slowly add the measured amount of acid, or ...?
 
So, as it turns out, one can not dissolve Zr in nitric acid, hydrochloric, or others. HF seems to be the route, or possibly a mixture of H2SO4/HCl or perchloric acid. There are many conflicting reports on the subject. It appears to be related to how the Zr was prepared in the first place.

If I could find out how to make zirconyl nitrate from the metal, that would also be very helpful, and I plan on making another post on the subject.
 

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