Dividing quadratic with linear

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The discussion revolves around the mathematical relationship between a quadratic function and a linear function, specifically exploring which values from the linear function can exactly divide the outputs of the quadratic function. Participants are examining this relationship through algebraic manipulation and numerical analysis.

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  • One participant presents two sets of data, identifying the first as quadratic (4x² + 32x + 10) and the second as linear (2x + 53), and seeks to determine when the linear values divide the quadratic values exactly.
  • Another participant suggests plotting the data to visually identify a quadratic relationship, proposing that the square roots of the first column values plotted against the second column should yield a linear appearance if the relationship holds.
  • A third participant clarifies that the original poster (OP) is looking for integer multiples of the linear function that correspond to the quadratic outputs, emphasizing the need to find when the remainder of the division is zero.
  • Further, a participant derives a new equation involving integers n and m, reformulating the problem to find integer solutions that satisfy the relationship between the quadratic and linear expressions.
  • They provide a detailed breakdown of the factors of -1971, leading to a table of potential solutions for n, m, and their corresponding outputs from both functions.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on a single method or solution. Multiple approaches and interpretations of the problem are presented, indicating a variety of perspectives on how to analyze the relationship between the quadratic and linear functions.

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The discussion includes various mathematical manipulations and assumptions, such as the nature of integer solutions and the conditions under which the division yields whole numbers. Some steps in the algebraic reasoning remain unresolved, particularly regarding the implications of the derived equations.

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I have two table, first one changes quadratically and second table changes linearly.

46 ... 55
90 ... 57
142 ... 59
202 ... 61
270 ... 63
346 ... 65
430 ... 67
522 ... 69
622 ... 71
730 ... 73
846 ... 75
970 ... 77

and so on.

First table data is quadratic and it is 4x^2 + 32x + 10 and
second table is linear and it is 2x + 53

I want to know which data in second table divide the first table data exactly (i.e give a whole number).

I know it is 73(10th row data) that divide 730 by 10. But is there any way I can know mathematically.

When I divide 4x^2 + 32x + 10 by 2x + 53
I get answer as 2x - 37 and remainder 1971(constant). But it give me no information that when x=10, 73 divide 730 exactly.

Thank you.
 
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The aim you describe is unsure. Look for the quadratic relationship between the two columns of data. Using graph paper to plot the points should help to identify a good quadratic fit. Use y for the first column values and use x from the second column corresponding values. Maybe try to EXPECT the quadratic relationship, and plot square roots of y on the vertical axis and the x values for the horizontal axis (column 2). This should look like a LINE, if the fit is truly quadratic between x and y.
 
@symbolipoint: OP has the relation already, and looks for rows where the first value is an integer multiple of the second.
rajeshmarndi said:
I get answer as 2x - 37 and remainder 1971(constant)
Then you have to figure out when 1971 is a multiple of 2x + 53.

1971 = 33*73. That allows to find all factors, all larger than 53 will lead to a solution.
 
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So you are looking for integers ##n,m## such that

4n^2 + 32n + 10 = 2nm + 53m

Note that ##m## is always even, so we can write ##m= 2M##. Our equation can then be written as:

(2n + 8-M)^2 - 54 -M^2 - 90M = 0

We set ##a = 2n + 8 - M##, then we get

a^2 = (M + 45)^2 - 1971

We set ##b = M + 45##. We get:

a^2 - b^2 = - 1971

or

(a-b)(a+b) = - 1971

So letting ##d_1 = a-b## and ##d_2 = a+b##, we get ##d_1d_2 = -1971##.

Now, ##-1971## has positive divisors ##1,~3,~9,~27,~73,~219,~657,~1917##. So we have the following products that form ##-1971##:

\begin{array}{|cc|cc|c|cc|}<br /> \hline<br /> d_1 &amp; d_2 &amp; a &amp; b &amp; M &amp; n &amp; m\\<br /> \hline<br /> -1 &amp; 1971 &amp; 985 &amp; 986 &amp; 941 &amp; 959 &amp; 1882\\<br /> 1 &amp; -1971 &amp; -985 &amp; -986 &amp; -1031 &amp; -1012 &amp; -2062\\<br /> -3 &amp; 657 &amp; 327 &amp; 330 &amp; 285 &amp; 302 &amp; 570\\<br /> 3 &amp; -657 &amp; -327 &amp; -330 &amp; -375 &amp; -355 &amp; -750\\<br /> -9 &amp; 219 &amp; 105 &amp; 114 &amp; 69 &amp; 83 &amp; 138\\<br /> 9 &amp; -219 &amp; -105 &amp; -114 &amp; -159 &amp; -136 &amp; -138\\<br /> -27 &amp; 73 &amp; 23 &amp; 50 &amp; 5 &amp; 10 &amp; 10\\<br /> 27 &amp; - 73 &amp; -23 &amp; -50 &amp; -95 &amp; -63 &amp; -190\\<br /> -73 &amp; 27 &amp; -23 &amp; 50 &amp; 5 &amp; -13 &amp; 10\\<br /> 73 &amp; -27 &amp; 23 &amp; -50 &amp; -95 &amp; -40 &amp; -190\\<br /> -219 &amp; 9 &amp; -105 &amp; 114 &amp; 69 &amp; -22 &amp; 138\\<br /> 219 &amp;-9 &amp; 105 &amp; -114 &amp; -159 &amp; -31 &amp; -318\\<br /> -657 &amp; 3 &amp; -327 &amp; 330 &amp; 285 &amp; -25 &amp; 570\\<br /> 657 &amp; -3 &amp; 327 &amp; -330 &amp; -375 &amp; -28 &amp; - 750\\<br /> -1971 &amp; 1 &amp; -985 &amp; 986 &amp; 941 &amp; -26 &amp; 1882\\<br /> 1971 &amp; -1 &amp; 985 &amp; -986 &amp; -1031 &amp; -27 &amp; -2062\\<br /> \hline<br /> \end{array}

If you care only about the positive ##n##, then the only solutions are ##959,~302,~83,~10##. Indeed:

\begin{array}{|c|cc|c|}<br /> \hline<br /> n &amp; 2n+53 &amp; 4n^2 + 32n + 10 &amp; \text{quotient}\\<br /> \hline<br /> 959 &amp; 1971 &amp; 3709422 &amp; 1882\\<br /> 302 &amp; 657 &amp;374490&amp;570\\<br /> 83 &amp; 219 &amp; 30222&amp;138\\<br /> 10 &amp; 73 &amp; 730&amp;10\\<br /> \hline<br /> \end{array}
 
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