Division or Multiplication First in 48÷2(9+3) Calculation?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the interpretation of the expression 48÷2(9+3) and whether division or multiplication should be prioritized in its calculation. Participants explore the implications of mathematical notation, conventions, and rules in the context of this expression.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the answer could be 2, while others argue it is 288, indicating a disagreement on the order of operations.
  • A question is raised about whether the left to right rule for multiplication and division is a formal rule or merely a convention.
  • Participants discuss the distinction between rules and conventions, questioning the basis for mathematical precedence.
  • One participant notes that previous discussions on this topic have highlighted the ambiguity in notation and the importance of avoiding it.
  • It is mentioned that some people may interpret implied multiplication (like juxtaposition) as having higher precedence than division, which contributes to the ambiguity in such expressions.
  • Examples are provided to illustrate how implied multiplication can alter the interpretation of expressions, such as with trigonometric functions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct interpretation of the expression, and multiple competing views remain regarding the order of operations and the implications of notation.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations related to ambiguous notation and the dependence on conventions that may not be universally accepted. There are unresolved questions about the axiomatic basis for the rules of precedence in mathematical operations.

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2 or 288? Does the division come before the multiplication?
 
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something tells me the answer they want is 2, but the math says its 288.
 


So is the left to right rule for multiplication and definition a rule? or a convention?
 


What distinguishes a rule from a convention when there can only be one right way?
 


What I mean is, does it arise from axioms or is it just accepted?
 


Do a search there was an existing thread on this just a few days ago. Eventually it was locked because it ended up in a lot of pointless arguments.

The general consensus was that it's somewhat ambiguous and that we should all try to avoid potentially ambiguous notation.

The main thing to come out of the discussion is to be aware that some people will give implied (or juxtaposition) multiplication a higher precedence than a [itex]\div[/itex] (divide) symbol. So be aware of this potential ambiguity.

Actually that's not the only place it occurs. The same thing happens with notation like [itex]\sin 2x[/itex] which is usually meant to be interpreted as [itex]\sin(2x)[/itex] rather than [itex]x \sin(2)[/itex]. But then with numbers and an explicit "times" symbol we would usually interpret [itex]\sin 30 \, \times \, 10[/itex] as [itex]10 \sin 30[/itex] rather than [itex]\sin 300[/itex].

So there's another common example of implied (or juxtaposition) multiplication altering precedence. This is just something that we have to watch out for. Rearrange you equation to make it non ambiguous or use extra parenthesis if there's no other way.
 
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