Trouble with polynomial long division

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The discussion revolves around the process of polynomial long division, specifically focusing on the division of the expression ##\frac{1}{1+y^2}## and the resulting series expansion. Participants explore the steps involved in achieving the result presented in a book, while addressing difficulties in replicating it.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in duplicating the long division result of ##\frac{1}{1+y^2}## as ##1-y^2+y^4-y^6...## and seeks clarification.
  • Another participant suggests that the division process is similar to normal division and provides a link to a previous explanation, although the relevance is questioned by the original poster.
  • The original poster mentions their familiarity with basic polynomial long division but notes confusion when the order of the dividend is less than that of the divisor, considering the use of negative exponents.
  • Several participants outline the steps of the long division process, indicating that there are no restrictions on what can be divided by what, starting with ##1/1##.
  • A later reply clarifies the meaning of the notation used in the division steps, explaining that the deltas represent differences resulting from the subtraction process in long division.
  • One participant acknowledges a misunderstanding about the division process, realizing they were dividing by ##y^2## instead of ##1##.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to the problem, and there are multiple viewpoints regarding the division process and notation used. The discussion remains unresolved in terms of a clear method to achieve the desired result.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes various interpretations of polynomial long division, with some participants expressing uncertainty about the steps and terminology involved. There is a lack of clarity regarding the application of negative exponents and the implications of dividing by different terms.

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Having trouble with a simple polynomial long division problem.
I'm reading a book where the author gives the long division solution of ##\frac 1 {1+y^2}## as ##1-y^2+y^4-y^6...##. I'm having trouble duplicating this result and even online calculators such as Symbolab are not helpful. Can anyone explain how to get it?
 
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fresh_42 said:
It is difficult to display here and of course you can always multiply to check the result. I once explained it here:
https://www.physicsforums.com/threa...r-a-polynomial-over-z-z3.889140/#post-5595083Maybe this helps. It is the same as a normal division, step by step.

Thank you for your reply but I do not see how that link is related to my particular problem. Maybe it's because I'm not familiar with vocabulary like "splitting fields". Anyway, I have done basic polynomial long division before but never when the order of the dividend was less than the divisor. My thinking is to use negative exponents in the quotient but I don't think that would lead to the author's result.
 
##1 : (1+y^2) = 1 \longrightarrow \Delta = -y^2##
##-y^2 : (1+y^2) = -y^2 \longrightarrow \Delta = y^4##
##y^4 : (1+y^2) = y^4 \longrightarrow \Delta = -y^6##
etc.

There is no restriction what has to be divided by what. In this case we start with ##1/1## and always divide by ##1##.
 
fresh_42 said:
##1 : (1+y^2) = 1 \longrightarrow \Delta = -y^2##
##-y^2 : (1+y^2) = -y^2 \longrightarrow \Delta = y^4##
##y^4 : (1+y^2) = y^4 \longrightarrow \Delta = -y^6##
etc.

There is no restriction what has to be divided by what. In this case we start with ##1/1## and always divide by ##1##.

What is meant by ##1 \longrightarrow \Delta ## and all the other ## \longrightarrow \Delta ## steps?
 
SamRoss said:
What is meant by ##1 \longrightarrow \Delta ## and all the other ## \longrightarrow \Delta ## steps?
That's what is more elaborated in the first example I gave you. The deltas are the differences, because long division is a sequence of subtractions.
##A:(1+y^2) = A \longrightarrow \Delta = -Ay^2## reads:
First divide ##A## by ##1## which yields the ##A## right of the equation sign.
Next we multiply ##(1+y^2)## with this ##A## which yields ##A+Ay^2##.
Now this has to be subtracted from what we have on the far most left: ##A- (A+Ay^2)= -Ay^2 =\Delta## which I wrote as ##\Delta##. It is our next far most left entry:
##-Ay^2 : (1-y^2)= -Ay^2 \longrightarrow \Delta = -Ay^2-(-Ay^2 \cdot (1+y^2))= -Ay^2 -(- Ay^2) -(- Ay^4) =Ay^4##
etc.

Finally we gather all intermediate results: ##A : (1+y^2) = A -Ay^2 + Ay^4 \mp \ldots##
 
Got it. Thanks! I was dividing by ##y^2## instead of ##1##. I feel silly.
 

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