Do Bats Have an Evolutionary History Rooted in Myth or Science?

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The discussion centers on the evolutionary history of bats, questioning whether it is rooted more in myth or in scientific understanding. Participants explore the evidence for bat evolution, compare it to human evolution, and consider the broader implications of evolutionary understanding across species.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the evolutionary history of bats is less evidence-based compared to that of humans, raising questions about the scientific understanding of bats' origins.
  • Another participant asks if any relevant information was found regarding bat fossils, indicating a search for empirical evidence.
  • A later reply mentions an article from The Smithsonian, implying that there may be scientific literature available on the topic.
  • One participant clarifies that humans did not evolve from primates but share a common ancestor with them, paralleling the relationship between humans and bats.
  • Another participant questions the completeness of evolutionary understanding for any organism, suggesting that all evolutionary trees are incomplete and challenging the criteria for what constitutes understanding.
  • A different perspective is introduced, discussing bats in the context of combat effectiveness and their practical advantages over other tools, although this point diverges from the primary focus on evolutionary history.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the clarity and completeness of evolutionary understanding for bats, with no consensus reached on whether their origins are more myth or science. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the depth of evidence available.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of evolutionary relationships and the limitations of current understanding, emphasizing that evolutionary trees for all organisms are incomplete.

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From where I stand, human evolution from primates is more evidence-based and storied than our understanding of bats. Do we have an evolutionary understanding of bats? Or are their origins still more myth than science?
 
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Did you find anything while searching for 'bat fossil'?
 
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Rive said:
Did you find anything while searching for 'bat fossil'?
Found this article published in The Smithsonian. I'll give it a read.
 
Humans did not evolve from primates. Humans are part of the primate family (Hominidae). All members of the primate family evolved from a common ancestor.

Humans and bats - both mammals - also share a common ancestor. It doesn't mean one evolved from the other.
 
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Gear300 said:
Do we have an evolutionary understanding of bats?
Do we have an evolutionary understanding of anything? Every organism has an incomplete family tree. Where do you draw the line between :"understanding" and "not understabding"?
 
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Gear300 said:
Do we have an evolutionary understanding of bats? Or are their origins still more myth than science?
Bats seem very fit for close combat where it outperforms say bows, a good step up from a fist, yet easy to manufacture, handle and maintain, compared to a sword that needs continous sharpening and a bit more skill to use. A good balance between simplicity, resources and function in the context of a low tech environment 😁

/Fredrik
 
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