Do People of Different Body Types Have the Same Number of Atoms?

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The discussion revolves around whether individuals of different body types, specifically contrasting short and chubby versus tall and thin individuals with the same weight, have the same number of atoms in their bodies. Participants explore the implications of body composition on atomic count and seek methods for estimating the number of atoms in a human body.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the number of atoms in two individuals of the same weight may differ due to variations in body composition, such as differing amounts of carbon and hydrogen.
  • One participant proposes using an average atomic composition of the human body to estimate the number of atoms, referencing a table that indicates oxygen, carbon, and nitrogen make up a significant portion of body mass.
  • Another participant calculates the number of atoms based on a mass of 60 kg and an average molar mass, arriving at an estimate of about 1027 atoms, but there is a challenge regarding the accuracy of this calculation.
  • Further clarification is provided regarding the calculation of moles and the use of Avogadro's number, with some disagreement about the factors involved in the calculations.
  • One participant posits that the composition of soft tissue versus bone may affect the number of atoms per kilogram, suggesting that individuals with more soft tissue may have a higher atomic count compared to those with more bone density.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether individuals of different body types have the same number of atoms, with some arguing that body composition plays a significant role while others focus on average estimates. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact implications of body composition on atomic count.

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Limitations include the dependence on the precise composition of body tissues, the assumptions made in calculations, and the unresolved nature of the mathematical steps involved in estimating the number of atoms.

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Given two people of different complexion, one short and chubby and the other one tall and thin, but same weight (180 lbs each):

a> Do they have the same number of atoms in their bodies

b> If not, will the percent difference be significant?

c>Is there a way to know an estimate of this number (number of atoms in a human body)?
 
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There is no way to reliably figure this out without knowing the exact composition of every single cell in someones body. Just because 2 people weigh the same doesn't mean that they have the same number of atoms. One may have more carbon atoms than the other while the other may have more Hydrogen. I'd say just find an "average" amount for a person and use that.
 
You can estimate the order of magnitude of the average number of atoms.
If you want a better approximation, you can look up the average atomic composition of a human body and then estimate for each type of atom.

A table with the atomic composition is here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Composition_of_the_human_body
According to this table oxygen, carbon and nitrogen together make 86% of the body.
The atomic masses are 16, 12 and 14. Taking an "average" of 15 kg/kmol and a mass of 60 kg, the number of atoms will be

N= \frac{60}{15} N_{Avogadro}= 4 \cdot 6\times 10^{26} atoms
or about 10^{27} atoms.
 
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nasu said:
N= \frac{60}{15} N_{Avogadro}= 4 \cdot 6\times 10^{26} atoms
or about 10^{27} atoms.

4 moles? You left out a factor x1000.
 
alxm said:
4 moles? You left out a factor x1000.

No, 4 kmoles. I used Avogadro's number in kmol^(-1)1 and the kilomoles/kg for average "molar mass".
I did not let out a factor of 1000.

Alternatively you can take the mass of person in grams and calculate in mols:

60,000/4 *6x10^23

which gives, of course, the same order of magnitude, 10^27.

Sorry I did not put explicitly all the units.
 
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I'd think that soft tissue would be mostly H, O, C and N atoms whereas bone would have more of the heavier elements like P and Ca. For this reason I'd say the the person with proportionately more soft tissue and less bone would have the largest number of atoms per kg. This I think would mean that the taller thinner person would have less atoms and the more portly person would have more atoms per kg.
 

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