Comparing densities of three bodies floating to different depths

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The discussion revolves around comparing the densities of three bodies that are floating at different depths in a liquid. The bodies are described as cubical, with specific dimensions and relationships between them, particularly focusing on their submerged volumes and the implications for their densities.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between the dimensions of the bodies and their submerged depths, questioning the relevance of the third dimension in calculations. There is also a discussion about the implications of the law of floatation and how it relates to the densities of the bodies.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered insights into the irrelevance of certain dimensions in the calculations, while others are seeking confirmation of their reasoning and exploring whether a more conceptual approach exists. There is an acknowledgment of the need for clarity regarding the assumptions made in the problem.

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Participants note that the problem may not require extensive mathematical calculations, suggesting it is more about understanding the principles of flotation and density relationships. There is also a correction regarding the terminology used in the discussion.

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Homework Statement
Rank in order, from largest to smallest, the ##\mathbf{densities}## of blocks a, b and c shown in figure below. Explain your reasoning.
Relevant Equations
Law of floatation : "The weight (or mass) of a floating body is equal to the weight (or mass) of the liquid displaced : ##w_B = \Delta w_L##
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The dimensions of the bodies given in the problem are visual. Clearly bodies a and b are cubical whereas c is not. One side of b is twice the side of a. Both a and b are submerged to the same depth but what is the depth of submersion of c? Arranging bodies (by copying and pasting a on b and c, as can be done using imaging programs), I paste the following diagram that show the depths and sides of the bodies shown. For simplicity, let us ignore the third dimension of the bodies or assume them to be equal, equivalently.

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Please note the case for c . Also we have ##y < x##.

Using ##w_{\text{body}} = \Delta w_L## and dropping the (constant) density of the liquid, we have for the weights of the three bodies :

##w_a = xy,\; w_b = 2xy,\; w_c = 2xy##.

As for the volumes of the three bodies,

##v_a = x^2,\; v_b = 4x^2,\; v_c = x(2x+y)##.

Dividing the first by the second and supressing the acceleration due to gravity ##g## from each, we get the densities of the three bodies,

##\rho_a = \frac{y}{x}, \; \rho_b = \frac{y}{2x}, \rho_c = \frac{2y}{2x+y}##.

Clearly, ##\boxed{\rho_b < \rho_a}##.

Using simple algebra and remembering that ##y<x## yields the solution :

##\large{\boxed{\mathbf{\rho_a > \rho_c > \rho_b}}}##Of course I'd like to know if I am right. Even if I am, is there an easier and a more conceptual way to do this?
 
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brotherbobby said:
For simplicity, let us ignore the third dimension of the bodies or assume them to be equal, equivalently.
You can also ignore the width of the blocks as it is irrelevant. Only the percentage of each block that is submerged is going to matter for the computations, which also means that you do not need to assume equal extension in the third dimension either.
 
"You can also ignore the width of the blocks as it is irrelevant. Only the percentage of each block that is submerged is going to matter for the computations".

Thank you, a point I hadn't realized. Though you might know the following well, I must carry it out if only to convince myself that the width of the block is irrelevant, only its depth of submersion relative to its height.

Let ##l## be the length and ##b## the width of the block.

Weight of the block : ##w_B = \rho_B lb g## and the weight of liquid displaced ##\Delta w_L = \rho_L l' b g##, where ##l'## is the depth of immersion into liquid.

The two are equal due to the law of floatation.

Hence ##\rho_B l = \rho_L l' \Rightarrow \frac{l'}{l} \propto \rho_B## as the density of the liquid is a given.

Hence we only need to see the fraction (or percentage) ##\frac{l'}{l}## in my problem above for the three bodies.

Clearly we see that : ##\rho_a > \rho_c > \rho_c##
 
Just my opinion, but I don't think anyone (setting the question) would have intended you to do any maths here. It looks more to test understanding/ intuition.
 
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brotherbobby said:
floatation
It's "flotation".
 

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