Do Ribosomes, tRNA, and mRNA Interact to Synthesize Proteins?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the interaction of ribosomes, tRNA, and mRNA in the synthesis of proteins, specifically addressing questions about the number of tRNAs required for amino acid formation, the relationship between amino acids and water molecules produced during synthesis, and the terminology used in describing these processes.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that ribosomes are the sites where tRNA and mRNA meet to produce proteins, clarifying that proteins are made of amino acids.
  • There is a claim that forming five amino acids would require five tRNAs, with some participants agreeing with this assertion.
  • Another viewpoint suggests that synthesizing five amino acids results in four water molecules being produced due to the formation of peptide bonds, with a later reply proposing a net gain of three water molecules.
  • One participant challenges the notion that tRNA is involved in "forming" amino acids, suggesting that amino acids come from dietary sources or are synthesized by the body independently of tRNA.
  • Another participant agrees that the original poster should avoid using the term "form" or "synthesize" in this context, emphasizing that the discussion pertains to translation.
  • A participant emphasizes the importance of precision in scientific language, though this comment appears to diverge from the main topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the role of tRNA in amino acid synthesis and the number of water molecules produced during peptide bond formation. There is no consensus on these points, indicating ongoing debate and uncertainty.

Contextual Notes

Some statements rely on specific definitions of "forming" amino acids and the biochemical processes involved, which may not be universally agreed upon. The discussion also reflects varying interpretations of the relationship between tRNA and amino acid synthesis.

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1) am i right to say ribosomes are the sites where tRNA and mRNA meet to produce proteins? by the way, is it proteins or amino acids?

2) if i want to form 5 amino acids, does it mean i need 5 tRNAs? do i need to count in the stop codon or release factor? but since stop codon is mRNA, and release factor is not tRNA, does it mean 5 amino acids means i need 5 tRNAs?

3) if i synthesize 5 amino acids, does it mean i get 5 water molecules? since peptide bonds are formed by losing 1 water molecule. so 5 amino acids means 5 water molecules? do i need to take into account anything else?

thank you very much!
 
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quietrain said:
1) am i right to say ribosomes are the sites where tRNA and mRNA meet to produce proteins? by the way, is it proteins or amino acids?

Yes, the binding of mRNAs to tRNAs occurs on the ribosome. This process produces protein. Proteins are made up of amino acids connected in a linear chain.

2) if i want to form 5 amino acids, does it mean i need 5 tRNAs? do i need to count in the stop codon or release factor? but since stop codon is mRNA, and release factor is not tRNA, does it mean 5 amino acids means i need 5 tRNAs?

Yes, a protein of 5 amino acids would require 5 tRNAs, one for each amino acid.

3) if i synthesize 5 amino acids, does it mean i get 5 water molecules? since peptide bonds are formed by losing 1 water molecule. so 5 amino acids means 5 water molecules? do i need to take into account anything else?

It's actually four, not five (since there are four reactions going on, a reaction linking amino acids 1 and 2, linking 2 and 3, linking 3 and 4 and linking 4 and 5). I should also note that releasing the protein from the ribosome requires a water molecule.
 
Re: "It's actually four, not five (since there are four reactions going on, a reaction linking amino acids 1 and 2, linking 2 and 3, linking 3 and 4 and linking 4 and 5). I should also note that releasing the protein from the ribosome requires a water molecule."

So, net gain is 3 H2O's
;)
 
quietrain said:
2) if i want to form 5 amino acids, does it mean i need 5 tRNAs?

No, and I'm going against Ygg up there. You said you want to "form" five amino acids. Well, I don't think tRNA is involved with "forming" amino acids. In general amino acids come from our diet although I think the body can synthesize many of them during intermediate metabolism but tRNA is not involved in that synthesis I think. Just check alright. Google how the body synthesizes amino acids. Be good for you right?
 
jackmell said:
No, and I'm going against Ygg up there. You said you want to "form" five amino acids.

Well I agree that the OP should not use the word 'form' or 'synthesize' in such context. But he is definitely talking about translation over here (he mentions tRNA, mRNA, stop codon and release factor).
 
Need to be precise in science. Oh, just put a few drops of hydrochloric acid in the eyes . . . wait, sorry, I meant boric acid. What else? Just one little slip-up and bam-o. Dead dog. Oh, I meant one mole, not two. That dose-dependent thing too: one pill is therapeudic, two pills though kill. I know he's new. Better learn now though. Just trying to help.
 
jackmell said:
Need to be precise in science.

Totally Agree.
 

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