Do the colors of quarks really exist or are they just a convention in QCD?

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The discussion centers on the nature of quark colors in quantum chromodynamics (QCD), specifically whether these colors (red, green, blue, and their anti-colors) are real physical properties or merely a conventional framework to explain certain phenomena, such as the exclusion principle for fermions.

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  • One participant questions whether quark colors are real entities or just a convention to avoid the exclusion principle, noting that quarks are fermions with half-integral spin.
  • Another participant describes methods to measure the number of colors, suggesting that experimental evidence, such as the Drell-Yan process and neutral pion lifetime, supports the existence of three colors.
  • A participant raises a question about whether colors exist as discrete characteristics, similar to electric charge, and wonders if a quark can possess a color that is a mix of red and green.
  • One response highlights the difference between the symmetry group of QCD (SU(3)) and that of electromagnetism (U(1)), suggesting that the designation of quark colors may be a matter of convention rather than intrinsic properties.
  • Another point made is that calculations in different color bases yield the same outcomes, indicating that the choice of color labels is arbitrary.
  • There is a discussion about gluons and their charge, noting that the relationship between color charge and gluons is more complex than a simple additive model.

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Participants express differing views on whether quark colors are real or conventional, with no consensus reached on the nature of these colors.

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The discussion involves complex concepts from QCD and may depend on specific definitions and interpretations of color charge, as well as the mathematical frameworks used in calculations.

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the colors of the quarks!

can anybody tell me
if the colors of the quarks does really exist (( green , blue , red)) ((anti green, anti blue, anti red ))) or it is just a way to avoid the exclusion principle??
and they are fermions means they can not exist in the same state and have half integral spin.
 
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The number of colors can be measured in different ways. On way, you collide electrons and positrons, and you look at the ratio of the probability for a quark-antiquark pair, to the probability to get (say) a muon-antimuon pair (see Drell-Yan process as well, but this is more complicated for this purpose). This is sensitive to both the number of generations (flavor) involved, which depends on energy, and the number of colors. This definitely rules out any scenario except 3 colors. Another way, the neutral pion lifetime, is quite unambiguous as well. Then, the physics of jets as come to such a richness that I cannot summarize now. For instance, the scaling violations in jet production, we can even compare quark and gluon jets, everything points to SU(3).
 
Hi humanino! :smile:

But do the colours exist as discrete characteristics, in the same way that charge does?

Charge can be either + or -, but not, for example, halfway between + and -.

Can a quark have a colour, for example, halfway between red and green? :smile:
 
This is a complicated question. The problem is that the symmetry group of QCD, SU(3) is not the same as the symmetry group of electromagnetism, and a lot of the properties we think of as covered by the word "charge" really only apply to U(1) theories.

One thing that happens is that if you do a calculation in the red-blue-green basis, and I do the same calculation in a rotated basis, say purple-aqua-brown, we will agree on the outcome. So the choice of what a "red" quark is entirely by convention.

Another is that one would think a gluon, carries two units of charge. That's approximately right, but you don't just get to say "red makes one and anti-blue makes one more" - you have to use the T matrices, and sometimes instead of 2 you get numbers like maybe 15/8. This is a direct consequence of the more complex groupn structure.
 

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