Do we desire that the world should end with our death?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the psychological and emotional responses individuals have towards aging and mortality, particularly whether there is a desire for the world to end with one's own death. Participants explore themes of cynicism, hope, and the impact of aging on one's outlook on life and humanity.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that aging often brings a sense of cynicism and negativity towards the world, as seen in personal anecdotes about friends and family.
  • Others suggest that this cynicism may stem from a feeling of desertion or the physical decline associated with aging.
  • A few participants propose that the popularity of doomsday prophecies reflects a deeper desire for the world to end with oneself.
  • There are contrasting views on whether older individuals generally become more pessimistic or if they can find acceptance and even optimism regarding humanity's future.
  • Some participants express that the realization of mortality can lead to reflections on unfulfilled aspirations, contributing to a complex emotional landscape.
  • One participant emphasizes that despite negative experiences, there can still be a shred of hope that persists among the living.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the effects of aging on outlook, with some agreeing on the presence of cynicism while others argue for a more optimistic perspective. The discussion remains unresolved regarding whether a desire for the world to end with one's death is a common sentiment.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of emotions surrounding aging and mortality, including the interplay of personal experiences, societal observations, and philosophical reflections. There is a recognition of the limitations in understanding these feelings without experiencing them firsthand.

  • #31
Originally posted by Zantra
Epiphany is the word

"grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference."

My mother has been throwing this in my face since I was ten. After she gave me no less than one pen, one calendar, one wall plaque, and several cards and letters each citing this little prayer, I finally got it! It's funny how through life experience, words that once sounded trite can suddenly take on deep new meaning.
 
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  • #32
I wouldn't have guessed age very well on this forum, maybe some brains don't care how old or young they are.
 
  • #33


Originally posted by Ivan Seeking
Thanks Russ for the title.

I have long made note that as people grow old, they often become very negative in their expectations for the world. A friend of mine, now in his twilight years, and having been near death on several occasions, the same man who always had bright hope for the human species, after confronting his own mortality, now expects that the world will endure all sorts of horrible things before we all die terrible deaths. I have noticed this same tendency, though not so pronounced, in many men whom I have known for many years.

I now suspect that this reaction to age and impending death is really a way to reconcile the sense of loss that one has, as one contemplates the world going on without them.

Perhaps we all secretly desire that the world should end with our own death?

Edit: I changed the title of this thread since without meaning to be so, I found the first one more offensive each time I read it. Sorry about that.

No, I think the explenation is quite simply this: we interpret as that what the world in fact is as our consciousness about the world.
So when we near our death, we interpret this as what happens to the world.

People should realize though that there is something outside of their own consciousness too.
 
  • #34


Originally posted by heusdens
No, I think the explenation is quite simply this: we interpret as that what the world in fact is as our consciousness about the world.
So when we near our death, we interpret this as what happens to the world.

People should realize though that there is something outside of their own consciousness too.

So then you feel that "believe" should be used in place of "desire"?
We believe that the world ends with our death? Do you mean this as a mechanism that drives one's expectations without any awareness of such?
 
  • #35
I thought we interpreted our consciousness for the world. Wut? You don't like my post =(? The rest of what I say seems to be the natural progression from the first baloney I said =/. Anyways, what does a dying person on his deathbed say when you say, Do you wish the world would end with you? Because they say when you're on your deathbed you don't really lie. Could someone confirm this, please ty.
 

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