Do 'we' see the world as we assume it exists?

[olde drunk]

after many, many years of thinking and sorting information i reached my conclusions because they were logical, explained my past experiences and were worthwhile tools for creating my present and future. in fact, dealing with probable pasts and furures led me to the quantum information. i have no difficulty understanding that this present is a product of one particular probable past and one probable future.

let me explain. being born into a dire family situation and raised catholic, i found little that explained why or gave me hope, other than prayer. after a failed romance, she was a fundamentalist baptist, what hope did we have, i began looking for information, explanations, philosophies, whatever that would give me a handle on what the hell was going on in this world. i will admit that being born again for a period was rewarding. unfortunately, this too failed the test of time.

so, when i accepted simultaneous-time and reincarnation as a basis, i was amazed at how things came together. i accepted full responsibity for being born into a bad situation, i didn't ask why. (the "why" can be addressed later.) i immediately became enpowered to make changes. thinking that a god had imposed these conditions was depressing. that actually causes despair (which might explain suicidal terrorism).

through experience, i have proven, to my satisfaction, that believing that i am the god of my individual universe, works. i accept and continue to create my reality. and, believing that it can be a happy or serious trip, i choose happy.

is the greater universe a hologram? another universe? another demension? i do not know, today. if it ever becomes important, i am confident that i can look within for a clue, if not the answer. i am the master of my fate and fear no god(s). see, no lightning bolt!

peace,

 

[onycho]

Originally posted by olde drunk

after many, many years of thinking and sorting information i reached my conclusions because they were logical, explained my past experiences and were worthwhile tools for creating my present and future. in fact, dealing with probable pasts and furures led me to the quantum information. i have no difficulty understanding that this present is a product of one particular probable past and one probable future.

Your history is sad but seemingly productive considering that you know have looked and found your way of dealing with your own reality.

I must respectfully disagree with your "logical" assessment of your past, present and future which you say are a product of only one 'probable' path to each time reference.

In my long search for knowledge, I have found that there are many paths to take in each persons short time span in this virtual reality.

so, when i accepted simultaneous-time and reincarnation as a basis, i was amazed at how things came together. i accepted full responsibity for being born into a bad situation, i didn't ask why.

I feel great sadness in your words which have led you to accept responsibility for being born into an arbitrarily bad situation. Finding solace in logic of simultaneous-time and reincarnation as the answer which gives you comfort and almost leading to suicidal despair is understandable But sadly you didn't find any reason to ask why you chose the path which you found to bring things together.

The seeking of your chosen path based on your self described subjective history in your experiences has led your thought process to find yourself using your own human logic.

through experience, i have proven, to my satisfaction, that believing that i am the god of my individual universe, works. i accept and continue to create my reality. and, believing that it can be a happy or serious trip, i choose happy.

With a more objective comprehension of your background, your personal choices seem more understandable. But happiness comes in many forms and by many routes. At least in my opinion you’re a deity in a very small universe.

is the greater universe a hologram? another universe? another demension? i do not know, today. if it ever becomes important, i am confident that i can look within for a clue, if not the answer. i am the master of my fate and fear no god(s). see, no lightning bolt!

At least you are the master of your fate for the time being but in the end, you will also know the ultimate truth of existence which may not be exactly as you have imagined.

 

[olde drunk]

onycho:
I feel great sadness in your words which have led you to accept responsibility for being born into an arbitrarily bad situation. Finding solace in logic of simultaneous-time and reincarnation as the answer which gives you comfort and almost leading to suicidal despair is understandable But sadly you didn't find any reason to ask why you chose the path which you found to bring things together.

drunk:
there was and is no sadness, there was a relief. now i have the power of the present to change the future! i have not invested time trying to figure why my greater self chose the circumstances of birth. i can debrief after death. should it become important, i am confident that i could/would get the message from within me.

perhaps i needed that situation to open my consciousness and create motivation to explore and question reality. that alone would be ample reason.

our paths are many, like a plate of spaghetti. all probable paths are before us.

let's make that angel hair since more probable threads(paths) will exist. my experience begins at one end of a strand of pasta. it intertwines, overlaps, goes over, under and merges with other paths. this is how we continually have the power to change our future, we move from one strand(path) to another as they come together in our present.

now, the great leap for us will be when we can change our paths that are not contiguous or proximate.

'be like a leaf in a moving stream. accept your experience, do not fight the current, use it to your advantage'.

 

[Rader]

Originally posted by olde drunk

is the greater universe a hologram? another universe? another demension? i do not know, today. if it ever becomes important, i am confident that i can look within for a clue, if not the answer. i am the master of my fate and fear no god(s). see, no lightning bolt!

If it might be so,that the universe is a hologram. It would hold consequence for those who lived in it, and so have a purpose. A mind would have access to all the present and past but not the future. Nothing could be thought that is not part of the hologram. Every choice or free will decision made, by the thinker, would be important as it would affect other thoughts and everything else inside the hologram. A hologram would have a holomovement to form a purpose by free will decisions. The purpose would change over holotime by free will decisions and have a direction. If all thought is interconnected, we have a great responsibility to others in what we think. One compassionate thought might make the butterfly move its wings and create not a tornado in Kansas but free the world of hunger thirst and pain. So maybe you are very important.

 

[pelastration]

Originally posted by Rader
If it might be so,that the universe is a hologram.

A hologram would included that everything is inside you. That's to much imo. I can tell you ... there is no Saddam or GWBush in me. We are spacetime connected but in a unharmonic way.
A type of building up on spacetime like the building up in holography on the plate may be OK. We are restructured part of the spacetime layer.
People claiming a hologramic universe don't provide a mechanism, it's one of the possiblities.

 

[Rader]

hologram

Originally posted by pelastration
A hologram would included that everything is inside you. That's to much imo. I can tell you ... there is no Saddam or GWBush in me. We are spacetime connected but in a unharmonic way.
A type of building up on spacetime like the building up in holography on the plate may be OK. We are restructured part of the spacetime layer.
People claiming a hologramic universe don't provide a mechanism, it's one of the possiblities.

pelastration, I would have to rearrange your statemet. A hologram would include us as a part of it. Each of our parts would contain the hologram in it. I do not like to admit it either but we have good and bad in us all. Think what Saddam or GWBush could have done with all the power they did and do posess. If i was Georges adviser i would whisper in his ear. To get re-elected it would be better to declar a war on hunger in the world and then invite everyone to go to Mars. You have seen my posts and my position has not changed much. The mechanism is consciousness. Consciusness connects to the physical world, on all levels of evolution in this holgraphic illusion by means of the v vector as the physical constuct. Anyway i do not claim anything except for myself. For its only me that i have to satisfy. I am almost convinced that we all know the way it is, its just that we explain it the way it appears to us.

 

[pelastration]

Originally posted by Rader
pelastration, I would have to rearrange your statemet. A hologram would include us as a part of it.
... The mechanism is consciousness. Consciusness connects to the physical world, on all levels of evolution in this holgraphic illusion by means of the v vector as the physical constuct.

Rader ... don't tell me the name of that mechanism ... tell me how it works. . I want to rebuild it ... not talking about it in semanitic or theoretic values. The 'real' thing you know ...

 

[onycho]

Originally posted by pelastration

A hologram would included that everything is inside you. That's to much imo. I can tell you ... there is no Saddam or GWBush in me.

Acutally you have these folks in you. Even in our physical universe there is Saddam, G W Bush and Cleopatra in you. The same particles they shed from their physical bodies become part of our environment forever and you breath them in making you a part of all present and past humanity.

We are spacetime connected but in a unharmonic way.

Unharmonic way? The background residue noise (harmonics) of the Big Bang connects with our time, space and matter.

A type of building up on spacetime like the building up in holography on the plate may be OK. We are restructured part of the spacetime layer. People claiming a hologramic universe don't provide a mechanism, it's one of the possiblities.

How can you prove your hypothesis of universe layered spacetime other than your site?

 

[pelastration]

Originally posted by onycho
Originally posted by pelastration

A hologram would included that everything is inside you. That's to much imo. I can tell you ... there is no Saddam or GWBush in me.

Acutally you have these folks in you. Even in our physical universe there is Saddam, G W Bush and Cleopatra in you. The same particles they shed from their physical bodies become part of our environment forever and you breath them in making you a part of all present and past humanity.

No ... no Saddam or GW Bush inside me.
Connectable yes.
All braced on the membrane. Not holographic ... but holonistic.
Vibrations can be conducted over the membrane.
Fully incorporated everything (hologram) in every spot would be a huge lost of energy.
The cosmos takes only the minimum of energy.

Originally posted by onycho
Originally posted by pelastration
We are spacetime connected but in a unharmonic way.

Unharmonic way? The background residue noise (harmonics) of the Big Bang connects with our time, space and matter.

Nay.
We are transmitters and receivers. We 'recognize' the resonant vibrations. We 'reject' dissonant vibrations. Others vibrations we are not capable to notice due the difference in order of magnitude.
Keep it simple. Occam's razor.
We don't communicate through one of the thousands big bangs but due the membrane oscillations.
A big bang may how created 'this' Universe but our communication can go behind that.
It's all inside of you but only by it's parent hyperspace roots.
The AIN, you know?
It's inside you ... but that doesn't mean it's you. We are just small holons.

Originally posted by onycho
Originally posted by pelastration
A type of building up on spacetime like the building up in holography on the plate may be OK. We are restructured part of the spacetime layer. People claiming a hologramic universe don't provide a mechanism, it's one of the possiblities.

How can you prove your hypothesis of universe layered spacetime other than your site?

I show a mechanism. I explain consciousness. I explain life. I explain the creation of Quantum baskets, holons. The same mechanism is on macro and micro level. It shows that the difference between strings and branes is an illusion. It confirm Guth's pocket universes but also Bohm's Implicate Order. It's shows the mechanism for the creation of Yin-Yang. You need more?
I don't refer to an Alphabet or to semantics. I use just one postulate. Is that to much?
Actual science is ruled by 'uncertainty' and string people telling with a proud smile that they don't know what they are talking about. Why does it take such a time to give that solution? Because some of the starting points is wrong. Matter doesn't create gravity ... Matter is gravity.
If you check your own religion I will see that the real essential point is: interconnectivity. That you can call God or G-d. The only way you can express that in scientific terms is GRAVITY. So it can not be teared or cut in pieces ... no intersections ... no mathematical commutativity ... no uncertainty ... no superposition.

I just use straight logic onycho ... no reference to the bible. The bible is just a small spot in time. Just like the Sutra's. Good spots ... but just for a while.

If you know the answer of 'how genderless became duality' - which is the essential question - tell me not in semantics but in an engineering plan. I gave the answer, but it doesn't fit in you semantic alphabet. That explains your fear, but in your hologram system it's already in you together with Saddam, Bush, Blair, Jesus, Madonna, Sting, Picasso, DaVinci, Einstein, M. Jackson, Sharon, Perle ... So don't worry.

 

[Rader]

Originally posted by pelastration
Rader ... don't tell me the name of that mechanism ... tell me how it works. . I want to rebuild it ... not talking about it in semanitic or theoretic values. The 'real' thing you know ...

pelastration By defining what consciousness is, that should be the fist door to enter. It appaears that science has opened that first door. What is on the other side not many want to realize. No matter what we use to define the world we live in, we must use its known variables to take a step further. It appears this is the way.
As a result of this we can assert the following postulate:

01=Consciousness is real but nonphyslcal.
02=Consciousness is connected to physical reality by one physically fundamental construct.
You can read this paper and read the book and you will understand how it is constructed in all its detail.
The physics of consciousness by Evan Harris Walker ISBN 0-7382-0436-6
http://users.erols.com/wcri/CONSCIOUSNESS.html
The explanation how consciousness, allows humans to be conscious by measuring in millions of bits, the brains holgrafic ability to allow a electron to tunnel the width of the brain and be in all places at once. On my thread on dreaming i would have hoped someone would have said something but i guess everybody was Chrismas shopping or dreaming. The wake state can be explained by beta and alfa transfer rate of millions of bits and theta and delta a slower rate of bits when we move into the dream state. Beta and alfa waves as i said before that the Ego evolving from the theta and delta from the Id dreaming. It is known that actually we move at all times between all states or at least can when for whatever reason it happens.
It is my assumption and not without fact to back it that if consciousness has its physically fundamental construct the v vector to produce the consciouss state that we humans are aware of, that this same physically fundamental construct the v vector, so does connect all levels of the evolutionary chain. Consciousness peers through each level and each level perceives what it does because of its complexity. An atom is aware of where it is, and how to get married by elecro=magnetic covolant bonding if it so chooses. We humans are aware of being aware, do to our complexity. The human mind is a hologram of high complexity. If you look at this paper and changed n'2 space-time for consciousness your model would be no different to the way i see it.