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The discussion revolves around the Autism-Spectrum Quotient (AQ) test, created by Simon Baron-Cohen and colleagues, which measures autistic traits in adults. Participants share their scores, noting that the average score in the control group is 16.4, while those diagnosed with autism typically score 32 or higher. Many express skepticism about the test's validity, citing ambiguous questions and the subjective nature of responses. Some participants reflect on personal experiences related to Asperger's, discussing how traits manifest differently in genders and the challenges of diagnosis. The conversation also touches on the broader implications of autism diagnoses, the potential for individuals with Asperger's to lead normal lives, and the stereotype of exceptional abilities in certain areas. Overall, the thread highlights the complexities of self-assessment regarding autism and the limitations of online tests.
  • #51
Danger said:
Oh, what the hell... MIH, you're invited too... just for balance, you understand. :rolleyes:

er, no... um.. I don't understand actually, but then I finally took the test and scored a 32, so I might not be good with nuances. :frown:
 
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  • #52
Math Is Hard said:
I might not be good with nuances. :frown:
Then let me assure you that my intentions are entirely honourable. :devil: :!) :rolleyes:
 
  • #53
Oh my Moonbear, you must just fly around by the seat of your pants! Mine came in at 16 and I haven't planned anything since my trip out of the uterus.
 
  • #54
And I'm betting that you packed pretty light for that.
 
  • #55
zoobyshoe said:
I don't see the problem. You answered "definitely disagree", right?
i forget which i picked. but i think i chose slightly as it sounded less problematic.


As for the test's validity. While i haven't actually been to a real psychologist or anything. There are a lot of similarities in aspergers and me. Like compared to your normal party going. I am socially dead. I just would rather talk to friends on msn. Play bf2. read something(currently reading The Hobbit:Tolkein) or argue philosophy(Prove jesus existed:Prove God exists:prove creationism, obviously nobody can) But the thing is. I can tell what people are feeling(most of the time, those bastards are good at poker :cry: ) I answered all the questions honestly and got a pretty low score.

and yes I am a huge nerd and geek.
 
  • #56
munky99999 said:
i forget which i picked. but i think i chose slightly as it sounded less problematic.


As for the test's validity. While i haven't actually been to a real psychologist or anything. There are a lot of similarities in aspergers and me. Like compared to your normal party going. I am socially dead. I just would rather talk to friends on msn. Play bf2. read something(currently reading The Hobbit:Tolkein) or argue philosophy(Prove jesus existed:Prove God exists:prove creationism, obviously nobody can) But the thing is. I can tell what people are feeling(most of the time, those bastards are good at poker :cry: ) I answered all the questions honestly and got a pretty low score.

and yes I am a huge nerd and geek.
Just to make it clear: Asperger's isn't a grab bag term for being introverted and geeky. It's a well defined syndrome with specific characteristics and deficits. I, too, never go to parties or bars, spend most of my time alone, spend too much time on the web, read alot, etc, but in spite of all that I'm nowhere near having Asperger's. The "similarities" you mention are superficial, unimportant ones. You may have some sort of extreme personality, but it's not any authentic overlap with Asperger's.
 
  • #57
zoobyshoe said:
Just to make it clear: Asperger's isn't a grab bag term for being introverted and geeky. It's a well defined syndrome with specific characteristics and deficits. I, too, never go to parties or bars, spend most of my time alone, spend too much time on the web, read alot, etc, but in spite of all that I'm nowhere near having Asperger's. The "similarities" you mention are superficial, unimportant ones. You may have some sort of extreme personality, but it's not any authentic overlap with Asperger's.

And this is why I dislike these dumb amateur tests. I'm introverted and geeky, but I'm pretty sure I'm not autistic in any sense. (What I posted above was just a joke). INTP yes, Asperger's no way.

Then again, even psychiatrists have difficulty with diagnoses like Asperger's. The crux here is that someone must find you almost unmanageably "odd" - prompting them to seek professional mental help for you. Then a psychiatric diagnosis will be made from a series of rather soft signs. But the important thing is that someone else (presumably someone "normal") must've had enough problems with your behaviour to seek help for you in the first place. That lends greater specificity to psychiatric diagnoses.

OTOH, just getting an unselected population that is just a little weird (but probably not pathologically so) to take a poorly designed anonymous questionnaire is BOUND to have many false positives *and* miss many genuine cases too.

But modern psychiatry may be reaching a little with some of the diagnoses it purports to be able to make. Personality disorders are not pathological in the sense that the patient cannot function in society, they are just annoying as heck :biggrin: and very occasionally violent and dangerous to themselves and others. These "soft" labels (including perhaps even Asperger's, ADD and others) may be "diseases" seeking real pathology.

Until an organic or functional deficit is demonstrable on objective testing, I would be wary of "diagnoses" such as the above. Then again, most psychiatric diagnoses (including frank psychosis) cannot be backed up with the most sensitive functional diagnostic tools that we have. I would've expected a person floridly hearing command hallucinations to have some interesting activity in the temporal lobe - alas, this has never been picked up. So the "science" of psychiatry will always be held in doubt by hard-headed skeptics.
 
  • #58
Danger said:
Then let me assure you that my intentions are entirely honourable. :devil: :!) :rolleyes:
Danger you have no chance may be if you spent a week with an
epilator and a couple of weeks in a mud bath, no it is just no good :cry: try riding on the handle bars of a cycle you may get back to your own
kind :smile:
 
  • #59
If I got into a mud bath, I'd have SOS all over me... which is not a bad idea. (You remember her fascination with pigs?) Thanks for the suggestion.
I have no idea what the hell that last sentence is about.
 
  • #60
Curious3141 said:
And this is why I dislike these dumb amateur tests.

If we examine this:

"Psychologist Simon Baron-Cohen and his colleagues at Cambridge's Autism Research Centre have created the Autism-Spectrum Quotient, or AQ, as a measure of the extent of autistic traits in adults."

it appears that they designed this questionaire specifically to pick up on allegedly "autistic" traits in the general public. In other words, they have probably selected out specific autistic traits that they realized can be found in a lot of non-autistic people in order to create the impression more people are autistic-like than we think or that autistic people aren't so abnormal after all. They negelected to include questions about some very important indicators like eye contact with others, and over-sensitivity to various sensory stimuli. There are no questions to tease out info about physical awkwardness or personal grooming. So it's not a diagnostic questionaire at all, it doesn't fish properly for the telling constellation of make or break indicators.

Then again, even psychiatrists have difficulty with diagnoses like Asperger's.
Psychiatrists have difficuly with every diagnosis.

Different kinds of brains scans are performed all the time on people with Asperger's, they always find something unusual, but they haven't found the link between the various problems. If "theory of mind" requires the proper functioning of, and communication between several different brain areas, which such a complex ability probably does, then a slew of apparently unrelated different lesions or areas of hypoperfusion could interrupt it equally well.
 
  • #61
I did this test ages ago and i got a 43. I've done two other tests in which is got 175 out of 200, where like 60 was the neurotypical result ish. I did a third home test one where it basically said, 'go get checked out, aspy is the most likely diagnosis.'

woot i have aspergers
 
  • #63
Math Is Hard said:
Well, duh, zoob! Smilies are useless for people with Asperger's if they can't read facial expressions!

OK, here's my Asperger's test:

What mood is he in? :cry: Blue

What mood is he in? :smile: Yellow

What mood is he in? :eek: Light blue with red tongue

What mood is he in? :mad: Red

What mood is he in? Orange

What mood is he in? :frown: Purple

Hah! That was easy. OK, where's my prize? Where's my degree in psychiatry?
 
  • #64
Astronuc said:
What mood is he in? :cry: Blue

What mood is he in? :smile: Yellow

What mood is he in? :eek: Light blue with red tongue

What mood is he in? :mad: Red

What mood is he in? Orange

What mood is he in? :frown: Purple

Hah! That was easy. OK, where's my prize? Where's my degree in psychiatry?
Haha!

Smiles are really useful to be fair because they are obvious whereas human expressions are not. Also contact over the internet is preferable as it eliminates having to worry about tones in the voice and facial expressions and moods can be displayed simplistically as rather neat little pictures. :smile:
 
  • #65
Unaffected
Result: 22. Your score isn't an achievement, it just is.

Yay.

- Warren
 
  • #66
Unaffected
Result: 18. Your score isn't an achievement, it just is.
 
  • #67
i scored 32...

and i scored higher than 99% on points

whats that's supposed to mean?!
 
  • #68
On the bright side, aren't people with Aspergers supposed to be somewhat gifted in other areas?
 
  • #69
Evo said:
On the bright side, aren't people with Aspergers supposed to be somewhat gifted in other areas?
not necessarily true. that's a stereotype really from films like rain man and a beautiful mind. The fact is that gifts like those aren't the norm for people with an autism spectrum disorder and nor are 'enhanced' abilities in other areas. They get publicised more because when they do have a talent it tends to be exceptional.
 
  • #70
Kurdt said:
not necessarily true. that's a stereotype really from films like rain man and a beautiful mind. The fact is that gifts like those aren't the norm for people with an autism spectrum disorder and nor are 'enhanced' abilities in other areas. They get publicised more because when they do have a talent it tends to be exceptional.
Shhhhhh, I'm trying to give them some hope. :rolleyes:

Actually I read it was something to do with music, but maybe it was that they were bad at it, I don't remember, I'm becoming senile.

I can't even remember what Switzerland is called, hush EL, apparently, it's NOT called Sweden.
 
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  • #71
ahh well hey I read an article a while back that I can't find but was on an autism website and the survey was of the professions people with aspergers go into. The professions with the greatest percentage of people with aspergers were mathematics and then physics which are both excellent and worth while professions. :biggrin:

Shame I can't find that website again. Senility must be catching :wink:
 
  • #72
Asperger's people have definite above average abilities when it comes to memorization, and, yes, they tend to do above average in Math and Science. In general they tend to acquire an encyclopedic knowledge of any subject they become interested in.
 
  • #73
Kurdt said:
Shame I can't find that website again. Senility must be catching :wink:
Stick with me long enough and you'll soon be seeing cougars through your kitchen window and forgetting the names of small countires above 45 degrees N latitude.
 
  • #74
zoobyshoe said:
Asperger's people have definite above average abilities when it comes to memorization, and, yes, they tend to do above average in Math and Science. In general they tend to acquire an encyclopedic knowledge of any subject they become interested in.
I thought that was just because of their obsessive behaviour. Anyone who has to memorise facts becomes above average at memorising things because exercising the brain is like exercising a muscle. The more you do the better it becomes. I'd be interested to see any study on that memory thing if you can remember any sources?
 
  • #75
For anyone more than casually interested in Asperger's I can't reccomend this book enough:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0393318478/?tag=pfamazon01-20

The author, a psychiatrist/violinist who knew Gould well, makes a completely persuasive case for Gould having had Asperger's.

Also, the movie reviewed in this book:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00092UT1E/?tag=pfamazon01-20

Is pretty damned fascinating. Whether anyone buys the Asperger's diagnosis or not, it has to be admitted he was an exceptionally, exceptionally eccentric person.

There are also a few CD's available that have good clips of Glenn Gould playing, being interviewed, and showing the hilarious and clever commercials he scripted and acted in himself for Canadian TV.( He had quite a pronounced whimsical sense of humor.)
 
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  • #76
i scored 25 so i probably don't have it. i guess it's "above average" whatever that means but nothing I'm going to worry about. i doubt that would be sufficient to make my family stop bugging me about having asperger's though. i guess it might look like i have it because even though i notice everything that's going on around me 99% of the time i keep my thoughts to myself. to another person it might look like i don't really notice subtle things about other people's face, behaviour etc. it's probably something i can use to my advantage somehow... :devil: :-p
 
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  • #77
fourier jr said:
i doubt that would be sufficient to make my family stop bugging me about having asperger's though.
I don't get it. If you did have it, what is it they think you're supposed to do about it?
 
  • #78
zoobyshoe said:
Asperger's people have definite above average abilities when it comes to memorization, and, yes, they tend to do above average in Math and Science. In general they tend to acquire an encyclopedic knowledge of any subject they become interested in.
:smile: If that's the definition, then I'm a poster child. :biggrin:
Only got 25 on the test. :confused:
 
  • #79
NoTime said:
:smile: If that's the definition, then I'm a poster child. :biggrin:
Only got 25 on the test. :confused:
It's not the definition, no.
 
  • #80
Evo said:
Stick with me long enough and you'll soon be seeing cougars through your kitchen window and forgetting the names of small countires above 45 degrees N latitude.
I see a cat in my garden quite often but here in the Uk there are no dangerous animals luckily and I live on 55N so there not much to forget above that. Obviously you always remeber stuf south of where you live.

Thanks for the links Zobby
 
  • #81
Unaffected
Result: 9. Your score isn't an achievement, it just is.

My test tracked 1 variable How you compared to other people your age and gender:

You scored higher than 99% on pointWhat does it mean? Ahh I am ok :) phew
 
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  • #82
zoobyshoe said:
I don't get it. If you did have it, what is it they think you're supposed to do about it?

i'm not sure. maybe they don't think i can survive living on my own & that i'll get the help i "need" if i look into it more. that's my guess beceuse they've never told me what I'm supposed to do about it if i had it.
 
  • #83
Curious3141 said:
And this is why I dislike these dumb amateur tests. I'm introverted and geeky, but I'm pretty sure I'm not autistic in any sense. (What I posted above was just a joke). INTP yes, Asperger's no way.

this is what i noticed when i got my myers-briggs result. i read the report/description & thought i was practically the prototypical INTJ although some parts of the INFJ description "sounded right" though. my family has been trying to tell me in various ways (from condescending/confrontational to "subtle" etc etc) for the last few years that i have aspergers but i read about the symptoms, etc & it just didn't make any sense. just a few months ago i got my myer's-briggs evaluation which sounded far more accurate. whether or not someone's myer-briggs result is a function of any autism-like things or a score on this AG test i don't know. I've looked a bit & found nothing.
 
  • #84
The online tests are supposed to be just for fun and certainly can't be used to diagnose anything.

Don't take the results seriously. :smile:
 
  • #85
Evo said:
The online tests are supposed to be just for fun and certainly can't be used to diagnose anything.

Don't take the results seriously. :smile:

yeah i know :rolleyes: but after my own family telling me or at least thinking i "need help" for so long i feel much better now.
 
  • #86
I actually wonder what percentage of our readership is xNTx on the Myers-Briggs. Though NT's ("rationals") are only 7% of the general population, I bet we top 75% here in our own little world.

- Warren
 

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