Do you translate mathematics or understand it natively?

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The discussion revolves around the varying approaches to understanding mathematics, particularly whether individuals translate mathematical concepts into other forms or understand them natively. Participants share personal experiences and perspectives on learning mathematics, including the influence of language and intuition.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes translating mathematical logic into English or graphs to aid understanding, questioning whether this is a poor method or a necessary approach.
  • Another participant emphasizes that there is no single correct way to learn mathematics, suggesting that personal methods are valid as long as comprehension is achieved.
  • A participant discusses the challenges of learning mathematics in multiple languages and the difficulties posed by terminology, noting their comfort with Russian and the need to translate concepts into Estonian and English.
  • Another contribution introduces the concept of Subitizing, suggesting it may relate to developing an intuitive understanding of mathematical expressions and their characteristics.
  • One participant views mathematics as a language, indicating that translation is necessary when understanding is lacking, while native comprehension occurs when the material is understood.
  • A participant reflects on the nature versus nurture debate regarding mathematical talent, sharing personal background and suggesting that some individuals may have an innate ability to grasp mathematical concepts.

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Participants express a range of views on whether translation is necessary for understanding mathematics, with some advocating for personal methods and others discussing the influence of language and innate ability. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to understanding mathematical concepts.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various factors affecting their understanding, including language proficiency, personal background, and the potential impact of innate talent versus learned skills. These factors introduce complexity and variability in the discussion.

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I've been reading an introductory textbook on Mathematical Logic by Richard Hodel, and I often find myself translating the logic into English sentences, or translating it into some other form like a graph that helps me understand what is being stated.

I realize this is probably a very poor way of reading the book, but so far it's the only way I've been able to make forward progress with it (very slowly too). I have a Computer Engineering background and I'm reading the book for fun.

When you look at a mathematical equation, do you sub-consciously translate it into some other form, or can you just look at the equation or steps in the proof and understand it without this translation? Is it just a matter of practice to understand math without doing a translation or do you think some people have this inherent knack for it and others do not?
 
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Whatever works for you. There is no one "correct" way of learning and understanding.

Don't be surprised if one day you will start to think differently, when you get more intuition and experience. But as long as you get things right, doesn't really matter how you do it.
 
I study math in Estonian, I have most materials in Russian and I learn extra from the web in English. Biggest problem for me is the terminology in a respective language. I have a table where I have a termin in the language I know and then I frantically search for their meanings in the other two languages. I speak 3 languages, so it's not that hard. There are people who speak 7+ languages on a professional level - meaning they have every piece of terminology down to the last symbol in every language (though I admit, a lot of the languages are similar), but it's still an astonishing feat.

I am most comfortable in Russian (it's not my native language, most of my material is in Russian), but I make effort to translate it into Estonian and English, but English is not the primary source of information, hence it's not that important and that's why I often struggle with names of theorems in English :D
 
austinuni,

Look for information about the concept of Subitizing.

Although that concept is about identifying a number of objects visually and without consciously counting, this is very likely to correlate with becoming intuitively familiar with looking at expressions and equations, and almost immediately being aware of several characteristics about them as well as what can be done with them. This might also be a way of becoming familiar with graphs of algebraic and transcendental functions.
 
I consider Math to be a language on its own, so when I find there's a lack in understanding there is a need for translation.
So if I understand it, I read it as it's native. If I don't and it needs further thought, I translate it back to English sometimes to cement the process.
 
I think this nurture/nature debate over talent vs skill in mathematics and mathematical applications is a long-standing one that still really isn't answered..

There are definitely examples in history and in modern-day life that point to talent being somewhat intuitive as in what genetics you are granted... for example my father and mother hold medical doctorates and whether it be expectation or natural talent I've always found myself good at understanding math and mathematical concepts
 

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