Does a Decimal Representation of the Form 111...1 Exist for Every Prime p > 5?

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The discussion centers around the existence of a decimal representation of the form 111...1 for every prime number \( p \) greater than 5. Participants are exploring proofs and alternative approaches related to this mathematical conjecture.

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  • Some participants propose that for any prime \( p > 5 \), there exists a natural number \( k \) such that \( pk = 1111...1 \).
  • Others suggest alternative approaches to the problem, indicating that there may be simpler methods to demonstrate the existence of such \( k \).

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Participants appear to be exploring the problem without reaching a consensus on the methods or proofs. Multiple approaches and perspectives are presented, indicating ongoing debate and exploration.

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The discussion does not clarify specific assumptions or definitions that may be necessary for the proofs. There are also unresolved mathematical steps in the proposed approaches.

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Let $p$ be a prime number exceeding $5$.

Prove that there exists a natural number $k$ such that

each digit in the decimal representation of $pk$ is $1$ :

$pk = 1111...1$
 
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lfdahl said:
Let $p$ be a prime number exceeding $5$.

Prove that there exists a natural number $k$ such that

each digit in the decimal representation of $pk$ is $1$ :

$pk = 1111...1$

because p is a prime > 5 so p is co-prime to 10
hence as per Fermats Little Theorem
we have $10^{p-1} \equiv 1 \pmod {p}$
so a sequence of 9's ( p-1 9's) is divisible by p
further as p is co-prime to 9 so sequence of 1's ( p-1 1's) is divisible by p.
so for k = p-1 this holds. this may hold for k a factor of p-1( for example p = 13 and k = 6).
 
kaliprasad said:
because p is a prime > 5 so p is co-prime to 10
hence as per Fermats Little Theorem
we have $10^{p-1} \equiv 1 \pmod {p}$
so a sequence of 9's ( p-1 9's) is divisible by p
further as p is co-prime to 9 so sequence of 1's ( p-1 1's) is divisible by p.
so for k = p-1 this holds. this may hold for k a factor of p-1( for example p = 13 and k = 6).

Hi, kaliprasad! Thankyou for your participation! Well done :cool:Here is an alternative approach:

\[a_k = \underbrace{1111..1}_{k \: \: positions} = b_k \cdot p +r_k, \: \: \: 0\leq r_k < p.\]By pigeons hole principle for some $n$ and $m$, $n>m$, we have $r_n = r_m$.

It follows, that the difference: $a_n-a_m$ is divisible by $p$.Note, that $a_n-a_m = \underbrace{111..1}_{n-m \: pos.} \underbrace{000..0}_{m \: pos.}=
\underbrace{111..1}_{n-m \: pos.} \cdot 10^m$.Since $10^m$ is not divisible by $p$, $p$ divides $\underbrace{111..1}_{n-m \: pos.}$.
 
lfdahl said:
Hi, kaliprasad! Thankyou for your participation! Well done :cool:Here is an alternative approach:

\[a_k = \underbrace{1111..1}_{k \: \: positions} = b_k \cdot p +r_k, \: \: \: 0\leq r_k < p.\]By pigeons hole principle for some $n$ and $m$, $n>m$, we have $r_n = r_m$.

It follows, that the difference: $a_n-a_m$ is divisible by $p$.Note, that $a_n-a_m = \underbrace{111..1}_{n-m \: pos.} \underbrace{000..0}_{m \: pos.}=
\underbrace{111..1}_{n-m \: pos.} \cdot 10^m$.Since $10^m$ is not divisible by $p$, $p$ divides $\underbrace{111..1}_{n-m \: pos.}$.

Above approach is simpler
 

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