Does an Homeomorphism Preserve Boundary Correspondence in Topological Spaces?

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The discussion revolves around whether a homeomorphism between two topological spaces preserves the boundary correspondence of subsets. Participants explore the definitions and properties of boundaries, closures, and interiors in the context of homeomorphisms, with a focus on theoretical implications and specific examples.

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  • One participant asks if the statement regarding the preservation of boundaries under homeomorphisms is true or false.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of understanding the definition of the boundary, suggesting that it is defined as the closure minus the interior.
  • Several participants discuss the implications of homeomorphisms mapping open sets to open sets and how this relates to boundary points.
  • There is a proposal to show that the image of the boundary under a homeomorphism equals the boundary of the image of the set, leading to further exploration of the properties of closures and interiors.
  • A participant provides a detailed argument involving the continuity of homeomorphisms and the relationships between interiors and closures.
  • Another participant references a claim from a text by Hawking and Ellis, questioning the relationship between timelike and null geodesics in the context of boundaries.

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Participants express various viewpoints on the preservation of boundary correspondence under homeomorphisms, with some providing supportive arguments while others raise questions about the rigor of the claims. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the definitive nature of the boundary correspondence under homeomorphisms.

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Participants rely on specific definitions and properties of topological concepts, which may not be universally agreed upon. The discussion includes assumptions about the continuity of homeomorphisms and the nature of open and closed sets, which are not fully explored or resolved.

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This discussion may be useful for students and researchers in topology, particularly those interested in the properties of homeomorphisms and their implications for boundaries in topological spaces.

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Hi, I need to know if the following statement is false or true. Given two topological spaces, X and Y, and an homeomorphism, F, between them, if bA is the boundary of the subset A of X, this implies that F(bA) is the boundary of the subset F(A) of Y?
 
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What did you try already?? What is the definition of the boundary??
 
sorry if this is a silly question, I'm new in topology. bA=CA-IA, where CA is the closure and IA is the interior.
 
aleazk said:
sorry if this is a silly question, I'm new in topology. bA=CA-IA, where CA is the closure and IA is the interior.

Indeed, so what happens if you take

f(CA-IA)

can you show that this equals Cf(A)-If(A)??

Simplified, can you show that

Cf(A)=f(CA)~\text{and}~If(A)=f(IA)
 
aleazk said:
sorry if this is a silly question, I'm new in topology. bA=CA-IA, where CA is the closure and IA is the interior.

That is equivalent to saying that point p is in the boundary of A if and only if any open set containing p contains points in A and points not in A. And, of course, homeomorphisms map open sets to open sets.
 
HallsofIvy said:
That is equivalent to saying that point p is in the boundary of A if and only if any open set containing p contains points in A and points not in A. And, of course, homeomorphisms map open sets to open sets.

So, using the property AcB then F[A]cF of maps, the open sets that contain F(p) will also contain points inside and outside of F[A], and then F(p) is in the boundary of F[A] if p is in the boundary of A?
 
aleazk said:
So, using the property AcB then F[A]cF of maps, the open sets that contain F(p) will also contain points inside and outside of F[A], and then F(p) is in the boundary of F[A] if p is in the boundary of A?


Indeed! You may want to rigorize that however. For example, why will open sets containing F(p) also contain points in and out F(A)?
 
micromass said:
Indeed, so what happens if you take

f(CA-IA)

can you show that this equals Cf(A)-If(A)??

Simplified, can you show that

Cf(A)=f(CA)~\text{and}~If(A)=f(IA)
Hi, I suppose yes. int A is the largest open set contained in A, so int A c A and then F[int A] c F[A]. If F is an homeomorphism, then F^-1 is continuous, which implies that F[int A] is open. Then, because the last relation, F[int A] c F[A], F[int A] c int F[A]. Now, int F[A] c F[A], so F^-1[int F[A]] c A. Because F is continuous, then F^-1[int F[A]] is open. Using the last relation, F^-1[int F[A]] c A, it follows that F^-1[int F[A]] c int A, which is equivalent to int F[A] c F[int A]. Thus, using the previous result, F[int A] c int F[A], it follows that F[int A] = int F[A]. CA is the smallest closed set containing A, so F[A] c CF[A] and then A c F^-1[CF[A]]. F^-1[CF[A]] is closed because CF[A] is closed and F is continuous. Then CA c F^-1[CF[A]], which is equivalent to F[CA] c CF[A]. Using similar arguments, but invoking the continuity of F^-1, it follows that CF[A] c F[CA]. So, F[CA] = CF[A].
 
aleazk said:
Hi, I suppose yes. int A is the largest open set contained in A, so int A c A and then F[int A] c F[A]. If F is an homeomorphism, then F^-1 is continuous, which implies that F[int A] is open. Then, because the last relation, F[int A] c F[A], F[int A] c int F[A]. Now, int F[A] c F[A], so F^-1[int F[A]] c A. Because F is continuous, then F^-1[int F[A]] is open. Using the last relation, F^-1[int F[A]] c A, it follows that F^-1[int F[A]] c int A, which is equivalent to int F[A] c F[int A]. Thus, using the previous result, F[int A] c int F[A], it follows that F[int A] = int F[A]. CA is the smallest closed set containing A, so F[A] c CF[A] and then A c F^-1[CF[A]]. F^-1[CF[A]] is closed because CF[A] is closed and F is continuous. Then CA c F^-1[CF[A]], which is equivalent to F[CA] c CF[A]. Using similar arguments, but invoking the continuity of F^-1, it follows that CF[A] c F[CA]. So, F[CA] = CF[A].

Seems ok! :smile: Nicely done!
 
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micromass said:
Seems ok! :smile: Nicely done!

Thanks. I needed the result to convince myself of a claim that I read below proposition 4.5.1 of Hawking and Ellis. The proposition says that in a convex normal neighborhood Np of point p, the points in Np that can be reached by timelike curves diverging from p are those of the form Q=exp\p(V), where V is timelike. But then, below the proposition, he says: in other words, the null geodesics that diverge from p form the boundary of the region in Np that can be reached by timelike curves diverging from p. :confused: why?
The zone exp\p(V), where V is timelike, is generated by the timelike geodesics that diverge from p, and the zone exp\p(V), where V is null, is generated by the null geodesics that diverge from p, all this by definition of the exponential map at p. In the tangent space to p, Tp, the null vectors form the boundary of the zone where the timelike vectors lie. Thus, because exp\p is a diffeomorphism (and then an homeomorphism) at Np, using the result we discused in this tread, the null geodesics that diverge from p really form the boundary of the zone generated by the timelike geodesics that diverge from p. At least I think so :redface:
 

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