Dismiss Notice
Join Physics Forums Today!
The friendliest, high quality science and math community on the planet! Everyone who loves science is here!

Does anyone remember McCain and the Keating 5?

  1. Feb 21, 2008 #1

    The S&L bail out also cost taxpayers $2.6 billion and investors in Lincoln lost almost $200 million dollars.

    Ok, on the other hand the ethics committee did find him "guilty of only poor judgment" but let me remind you this was even before any sort of campaign finance reform was ever enacted on soft money.
  2. jcsd
  3. Feb 21, 2008 #2

    D H

    Staff: Mentor

    Were he not the lone Republican member of the Keating 5, the investigation of McCain would have been dropped quickly. While he did have some financial connections with Lincoln and did arrange a meeting with Lincoln bigwigs and the S&L investigators, he did not use his influence to hinder the investigations. The initial investigation into McCain indicated he was the least culpable of the Keating 5. Guilty of doing something stupid.

    Nonetheless, McCain has said that this was the worst thing that happened to him in his life. This was the event that led McCain to work on campaign finance reform.

    This topic has popped up from time to time. It won't float as a Democratic dirty trick. McCain is far too open and forthcoming about the entire incident.
  4. Feb 21, 2008 #3


    User Avatar
    Science Advisor
    Homework Helper
    Gold Member

    Robert Bennett (a self admitted Democrat) was the special counsel assigned to investigate the matter for the Senate Ethics Committee. His recommendation that John Glenn and John McCain be dropped from the investigation went unheeded... the only time in the Senate Ethics Committee history that the advice of the special counsel was ignored. McCain has good reason to believe that this was because he was the only Republican under investigation.
    The committee later characterized his involvement as "poor judgement" but it is difficult to see what constitutes poor judgement in this case. Charles Keating was a constituent of McCain's and the owner of a large thrift in Arizona and as such represented a major employer in his state. Setting up a meeting between one of his constituents (and benefactors) and bank investigators is hardly a scandal. The committee never elaborated on just which action of McCain's was "poor judgement" but it did say that his actions were not improper nor attended with gross negligence.

    How do you get from "not improper nor attended with gross negligence" to "poor judgement"?
  5. Feb 21, 2008 #4
    Anyone read the NY times article as well? LOL McCain already on his 2nd affair. The first one was when he cheated on his sick wife and left her for his now current wife.

    Funny, since the Republicans are supposed to have a strict regimen towards religion.
  6. Feb 21, 2008 #5


    User Avatar

    Staff: Mentor

    If it's true, it'll make hime the second President in just over 8 years to cheat on his wife on company time. :rolleyes:

    [edit] I've read the article now. On the specific issue, it's really thin. But what strikes me about the report it its length. It's 4 pages long (the net version)! And with so little actual content about the title issue, it looks more to me like they are campaigning for Obama than trying to report on a potential issue.
    Last edited: Feb 21, 2008
  7. Feb 21, 2008 #6

    D H

    Staff: Mentor

    This is some lousy mudslinging. As soon as it became apparent that the Keating 5 mud won't stick, here comes another blob. This purportedly happened eight or nine years ago, and it is only coming out now? The timing alone makes it very suspect. The thinness of the content and the thickness of the coverage, doubly so. So much for the Democrats being above dirty tricks.
  8. Feb 21, 2008 #7


    User Avatar

    Staff: Mentor

    I don't know if you read the article, but there is about as much in it about the Keating 5 as there is about the woman! That makes it look like as much an attempt to bring the Keating 5 issue back up.
  9. Feb 22, 2008 #8


    User Avatar
    Science Advisor
    Homework Helper

    If TV news shows are talking as much or more about the New York Times and why they published the article as they are about John McCain, then the story has a problem. Other versions from other news organizations are a lot cleaner and focus more on McCain's relationships with lobbyists. It's still old news from 8 years ago and still inconclusive.

    The only 'hard' news is getting a rebuke from the FCC for what they felt was inappropriate interference by McCain into the FCC's consideration of the sale of a TV station. That's a legitimate knock for someone who's built a reputation criticizing lobbyists influence with politicians even if he did nothing illegal (or even unusual for the average politician).

    That's the sort of story that prevents a candidate from saying they're holier than thou, but not exactly a damning story.
Know someone interested in this topic? Share this thread via Reddit, Google+, Twitter, or Facebook

Have something to add?

Similar Discussions: Does anyone remember McCain and the Keating 5?
  1. McCain for Bush ! (Replies: 5)

  2. John McCain (Replies: 12)

  3. McCain Watch (Replies: 19)