Does black hole evaporation violate conservation of Baryon Number?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on whether black hole evaporation violates the conservation of baryon number, particularly in the context of Hawking radiation and its implications for particle physics. Participants explore theoretical implications, conservation laws, and the behavior of particles in and around black holes.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that throwing matter into a black hole could lead to the emission of antimatter due to Hawking radiation, raising questions about baryon number conservation.
  • Others argue that the standard model of particle physics does not conserve baryon number due to processes like sphaelerons, which violate baryon and lepton number conservation but conserve B-L.
  • One participant mentions that black holes conserve electric charge, suggesting that converting quarks to antiquarks is not feasible.
  • Another participant speculates on the implications of charge localization on the event horizon and how it affects Hawking radiation.
  • Some participants discuss the idea that black hole evaporation may violate standard conservation laws, with references to specific literature and examples illustrating potential violations of baryon number and lepton number separately.
  • A hypothetical scenario is presented where a black hole formed from pure hydrogen and an extra electron could lead to a final state that violates baryon number conservation upon evaporation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the conservation of baryon number in the context of black hole evaporation. While some suggest that conservation laws are violated, others point to existing conservation principles like B-L. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the no-hair theorems apply primarily to electrovac solutions, indicating that black holes may retain some characteristics beyond mass, charge, and angular momentum. This introduces complexity in discussing conservation laws in relation to black hole evaporation.

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Something I've always wondered: You throw matter into a black hole, but get half matter and half antimatter out due to Hawking radiation. Or, you throw only protons in, but get positrons out.

What happened to conversation of Baryon Number? It seems like you could convert matter to anti-matter this way.
 
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Even without black holes, the standard model of particle physics doesn't conserve baryon number. There are non-perturbative processes in the electroweak sector (called sphaelerons) which violate both baryon number and lepton number conservation. They do, however, (as do all other SM processes) conserve B-L. Charge conservation in Hawking radiation should be sufficient to ensure at least a sort of B-L conservation.
 
Don't forget that black holes do conserve electric charge (black can be charged, after all). So converting a quark into an anti-quark is out of the question.
 
xepma said:
Don't forget that black holes do conserve electric charge (black can be charged, after all). So converting a quark into an anti-quark is out of the question.

Drop neutrons in, harvest anti-neutrons out.

Though now it makes me wonder how a charge on a black hole can be localized to some region of the event horizon. Drop in something charged, and the bias in Hawking radiation spreads outward from that spot at the speed of light? Until the other side of the "surface" knows about it, you could say that the BH is charged on one side, right?
 
Parlyne said:
Charge conservation in Hawking radiation should be sufficient to ensure at least a sort of B-L conservation.

My understanding is that you get all kinds of particles out, distributed based on mass (more light ones), but a charged BH will preferentially emit particles of that charge. Not only and everywhere, but just more of them on average.

So, drop neutrons into a BH. Harvest anti-neutrons and throw back everything else. The BH doesn't know what you put in, other than it being electrically neutral.

B goes down, L doesn't change.
 
I think it is a fairly well accepted idea that black hole evaporation violates the standard conservation laws of particle physics. See, e.g., Wald, p. 413. It is true that there are some technical points involved. As Parlyne has pointed out, it's conceivable that only B-L is supposed to be conserved, not B and L separately. Also, the no-hair theorems only hold for electrovac solutions; solutions with hair are known for other fields besides the EM field, so we can't necessarily argue that a black hole must lost all memory of its input characteristics other than its mass, charge, and angular momentum.

It's actually kind of interesting to try to come up with a clear example where the standard-model conservation laws are violated. For example, let's build a black hole out of pure hydrogen, and then toss in one extra electron, so what went in had B-L=-1 and charge=-1. The fields surrounding this black hole are purely electrovac, so it loses all memory of anything other than its total mass, charge, and angular momentum. Now suppose when it evaporates it spits out that charge as a W- rather than an electron. The final state has B-L=0.
 

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