Does citric acid decay over time?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the stability of citric acid over time, particularly in the context of its use for etching GaAs when mixed with hydrogen peroxide. Participants explore whether citric acid "decays" or becomes less effective after being prepared and stored for several days.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether citric acid weakens over time, noting a perceived decrease in etching effectiveness after four days of storage.
  • Another participant suggests that citric acid is chemically stable at room temperature and unlikely to decay, especially at the concentrations used.
  • A later reply proposes that the observed decrease in etching rate may be due to the decomposition of hydrogen peroxide rather than citric acid itself, detailing the decomposition reaction and factors affecting it.
  • Participants discuss methods to minimize hydrogen peroxide decomposition, such as mixing solutions in an ice bath and refrigerating them.
  • One participant mentions that hydrogen peroxide could potentially oxidize citric acid over time, introducing another factor to consider.
  • There are suggestions to add fresh hydrogen peroxide to the citric acid solution immediately before use to maintain effectiveness.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the stability of citric acid and the factors affecting the etching process. There is no consensus on whether citric acid decays or if the issues arise from hydrogen peroxide decomposition.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the discussion involves assumptions about storage conditions, concentrations, and the potential for oxidation reactions, which may influence the outcomes but remain unresolved.

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Does citric acid "decay"?

Hi

I'm preparing about 80 mL of citric acid from anhydrous crystals, using 1g of crystals to 1 mL of de-ionized water. It is for the purposes of etching GaAs with a 3:1 citric acid to H2O2 (by volume) mixture. I wait at least a day after making the acid from the crystals before use.

My question is, does citric acid "decay" (become weaker) over time? I might be imagining things, but it seems that when I use acid that has been sitting around for more than 4 days, my etching rate is slower and/or inconsistent. The acid is stored in a clear glass container in an acids cabinet. Thanks!
 
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That's a kind of funny question, since it's often used as a preservative.

Anyway, at those concentrations we can rule out bacteria eating it, and at room temperature citric acid is chemically stable. So offhand it doesn't sound likely.
 


alxm said:
That's a kind of funny question, since it's often used as a preservative.

That's how I preserve my vinegar,by pickling it.:confused:
 


sir_manning said:
Hi

I'm preparing about 80 mL of citric acid from anhydrous crystals, using 1g of crystals to 1 mL of de-ionized water. It is for the purposes of etching GaAs with a 3:1 citric acid to H2O2 (by volume) mixture. I wait at least a day after making the acid from the crystals before use.

My question is, does citric acid "decay" (become weaker) over time? I might be imagining things, but it seems that when I use acid that has been sitting around for more than 4 days, my etching rate is slower and/or inconsistent. The acid is stored in a clear glass container in an acids cabinet. Thanks!

It is not citric acid decomposition, but rather hydrogen peroxide decomposition.

Hydrogen peroxide decomposes (disproportionates) exothermically into water and oxygen gas spontaneously:
2 \text{ H}_2 \text{O}_2 \rightarrow 2 \text{ H}_2 \text{O} + \text{O}_2

The rate of decomposition is dependent on the temperature and concentration of the peroxide, as well as the pH and the presence of impurities and stabilizers.

I recommend mixing your solution in an ice bath, which is just cold water and ice cubes and using your aqueous solution immediately after production.

Decomposition may be reduced by refrigerating your solution and avoiding exposure to radiation such as heat, light and sunlight.

It may be possible to restore your solution by digitally measuring the pH of a freshly mixed solution and restoring back to that pH by adding more hydrogen peroxide until the pH matches the original mixture formula.

It is also not necessary to wait to mix your acid formula.

Dadface said:
That's how I preserve my vinegar,by pickling it.:confused:
Affirmative, adding something like 5 milliliters of Lemon juice (5% to 6% aqueous citric acid solution), acts as a preservative for the example of canning fruits and vegetables and juices.

However, prevention of contamination and elimination of all forms of bacteria from preserved food should be the greatest concern.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_peroxide#Decomposition"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citric_acid"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemon"
 
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You can keep the aqueous citric acid solution mixed in advance of when you use it, but you should add the appropriate amount of fresh 30% hydrogen peroxide (or whatever the stock concentration you're using is) to the citric acid solution immediately before you use it.
 


Thanks for the replies. The citric acid is kept at room temperature and the H2O2 is kept in a fridge. I usually mix the two about 20 minutes before using them. I'll try keeping the citric in the fridge too.
 


Also, hydrogen peroxide could slowly oxidize citric acid, I think.
 

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