Does e^{-ix} Have a Limit as x Approaches Infinity?

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The discussion centers around the limit of the expression e^{-ix} as x approaches infinity. Participants explore the mathematical implications of this limit, its representation in terms of trigonometric functions, and its relevance to quantum mechanics, particularly in the context of square well potentials.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the limit of e^{-ix} as x tends to infinity, questioning whether it exists.
  • Others express uncertainty about the limit, suggesting it may not exist and referencing its representation as cos(x) - isin(x).
  • A participant relates the limit discussion to a physics problem involving square well potentials and the implications for the wave function in quantum mechanics.
  • One participant argues that the limit does not exist, suggesting a geometric interpretation of e^{-ix} as points on the unit circle in the complex plane.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need for an intuitive understanding of limits, comparing it to the behavior of the graph y = cos(x) as x increases.
  • There is a mention of the distinction between infinite and finite square well potentials and their respective wave functions, with a suggestion to recheck the answers related to wave behavior outside the well.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the limit of e^{-ix} exists, with some asserting it does not exist while others remain uncertain. The discussion also includes varying interpretations of the implications for quantum mechanics, indicating a lack of consensus on those points.

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Participants reference the relationship between the limit and trigonometric functions, as well as the implications for wave functions in quantum mechanics, but do not resolve the mathematical or physical claims presented.

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What is the limit of e^{-ix} as x tends to infinity?
 
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jimmycricket said:
What is the limit of e^{-ix} as x tends to infinity?
What does ##e^{-ix}## represent? IOW, for a given x value, what does ##e^{-ix}## evaluate to?
 
cos(x) - isin(x)
 
jimmycricket said:
cos(x) - isin(x)

OK, so what do YOU think the limit should be, if anything?
 
Well this is exactly my problem, I don't know. Perhaps I should have mentioned that I have considered the limit in terms of cos and sin and I'm not just asking you out of laziness. I would be inclined to say the limit does not exist. The reason I need to know is I am answering a question on square well potentials where solving schrodingers equation yields \psi(x)=Ae^{ikx} +Be^{-ikx} outside of the well which in the region to the leftof the well simplifies to Ae^{ikx} and I was wondering if this is because the wave function equals zero as x tends to minus infinity which implies B=0. I don't know if this is now the right place to ask this but if anyone can help that would be great.
 
I can't comment on the physics question. However the original math question is answerable - there is no limit. You can envision it geometrically as being points on the unit circle in the complex plane. As x becomes infinite the point simply goes around the circle indefinitely.
 
jimmycricket said:
Well this is exactly my problem, I don't know. Perhaps I should have mentioned that I have considered the limit in terms of cos and sin and I'm not just asking you out of laziness. I would be inclined to say the limit does not exist. The reason I need to know is I am answering a question on square well potentials where solving schrodingers equation yields \psi(x)=Ae^{ikx} +Be^{-ikx} outside of the well which in the region to the leftof the well simplifies to Ae^{ikx} and I was wondering if this is because the wave function equals zero as x tends to minus infinity which implies B=0. I don't know if this is now the right place to ask this but if anyone can help that would be great.

Do you know what it means when we say that a function, f(x), has a limit as x → ∞? Never mind the "epsilon-delta" stuff; just give an intuitive description.

Alternatively, think of the graph y = cos(x). Do the y-values settle down to a fixed value as x becomes larger and larger?
 
jimmycricket said:
Well this is exactly my problem, I don't know. Perhaps I should have mentioned that I have considered the limit in terms of cos and sin and I'm not just asking you out of laziness. I would be inclined to say the limit does not exist. The reason I need to know is I am answering a question on square well potentials where solving schrodingers equation yields \psi(x)=Ae^{ikx} +Be^{-ikx} outside of the well which in the region to the leftof the well simplifies to Ae^{ikx} and I was wondering if this is because the wave function equals zero as x tends to minus infinity which implies B=0. I don't know if this is now the right place to ask this but if anyone can help that would be great.

A (infinite) square well potential should not have waves outside of the well. Outside the well, the wave function should just be 0. A finite square well can have a non 0 wave function outside the well, but they should exponentially decay instead of oscillate (assuming a bound state). Recheck your answers.

If you are dealing with scattering states, then the wave function must be a wave-packet, not a plane wave since plane waves are not normalizable.
 
Mark44 said:
What does ##e^{-ix}## represent? IOW, for a given x value, what does ##e^{-ix}## evaluate to?

jimmycricket said:
cos(x) - isin(x)
No, I was looking for a more specific answer, which @mathman gave you in post #6. In my question I specified "for a specific x value," so your response should have taken that into account.
 

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