Does Earth's eccentricity change?

In summary, the eccentricity of Earth's orbit changes over time, and this has an effect on the climate. Other orbital elements also change with time, and include the influence of Jupiter.
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I've just been asked of the Earth's eccentricity or orbit changes over time. The idea is that, over a period of 100,000 years or so, the Earth's orbit changes from nearly circular to more elliptical.

I have never heard of such a thing. Can anyone confirm or refute?
 
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Hm. It would appear there is some truth to this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbital_eccentricity
"The eccentricity of the Earth's orbit is currently about 0.0167. Over thousands of years, the eccentricity of the Earth's orbit varies from nearly 0.0034 to almost 0.058 as a result of gravitational attractions among the planets"

Indeed, the graph shows 7-8 peaks over 750,000 years:
http://www.museum.state.il.us/exhibits/ice_ages/eccentricity_graph.html
 
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Nearly all aspects of Earth's orbital motion swing ever-so-lightly back and forth, and these changes--the "Milankovitch cycles"--cause Earth's climate to fluctuate periodically. Besides changes in eccentricity, there's also precession of the equinoxes, precession of the perihelion, and changes in inclination, all of which are also caused by the influences of other planets (and of the Moon).
 
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BTW, I just found out the 100 000-year timescale is accurate. At least according to Wikipedia's article on the Milankovitch cycles:

"The major component of these variations occurs on a period of 413,000 years (eccentricity variation of ±0.012). A number of other terms vary between components 95,000 and 125,000 years (with a beat period 400 ka), and loosely combine into a 100,000-year cycle (variation of −0.03 to +0.02)."

Interestingly, the strongest periodicity in Earth's climate is a 100 000 year cycle, even though changes in eccentricity are small compared to the effects of precession. Go figure.
 
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Seems you've found the answer. I know you've used Gravity Simulator before. If it's still installed on your computer, you can get the answer from there too, but it might take a while. Start with any simulation that uses JPL's numbers to produce an accurate solar system, using Earth/Moon barycenter, rather than Earth and Moon as separate objects. In the File menu, have it output a file containing the orbital elements of Earth and any planet. Run the simulation at a slow time step (64 seconds or less). If the program is left to run in the background for a few days, you might be able to get close to 1 million years of sim. Then use Excel to plot the data file. You'll find your eccentricity plot for Earth looks very similar to the one in your second link, with 100,000 year cycles on top of a larger 400,000 year cycle. Here's an example, but this one runs forwards in time, not in reverse as the one in your link.
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If you did run Gravity Simulator backwards to recreate the graph you linked to, you'd probably find that the graph it creates is in good agreement with their graph up to a point. Beyond that, they diverge. The solar system is chaotic enough that going too far into the future with either method (their graph probably uses analytic perturbation theory) will give untrustable results. The overall patterns of 100,000 and 400,000 year cycles will remain, but the graphs will get out of phase.

Another interesting thing to try is to see how eccentricity changes insolation, the amount of solar flux received by Earth. For this, delete Earth, and recreate it with its minumum eccentricity. Run the sim for 1 year, saving a data file of its position vector once a day. Then in Excel, turn the position vector into a distance from the sun. Make a column for insolation (Solar Luminosity *4 * pi * distance^2), once for each day, and take the average of all 365 days. You'll find that planets in more eccentric orbits receive more insolation than less eccentric orbits. Our orbit is currently getting rounder, meaning we're receiving less sunlight per year. But the difference is not very significant. The big reason that changing eccentricity affects climate is that the Northern and Southern hemispheres are not equally efficient at absorbing/reflecting sunlight. With the Earth's current eccentricity, it receives about 7% more insolation at perihelion than at apihelion. Perihelion currently coinsides with Southern Hemisphere summer.

It's also neat to see how the other orbital elements change with time, for Earth and the other planets. Deleting Jupiter and comparing results shows that Jupiter is the main contributor to the oscillating orbital elements of all the planets.

It's strange to think that the Earth's orbit has inclination, as Earth's orbit defines the plane. But the plane is only defined for one instant (currently we use Jan 1, 2000 at 12 noon GMT). The Earth's inclination has since drifted a small bit from inc=0.
 
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ideasrule said:
...the influences of other planets (and of the Moon).
Generally, Earth's orbital elements actually refer to the barycenter of the Earth/Moon system, negating the Moon's influence.
 
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tony873004 said:
Generally, Earth's orbital elements actually refer to the barycenter of the Earth/Moon system, negating the Moon's influence.
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The earth/moon system has a wobble to it due to the center of mass of this system. The center of mass is Aprox=4000km from Earth's center aligned with a line connecting to the centers of the two bodies This wobble is at an axial tilt of Aprox=23degrees, an inclination from the sun and let's the force of gravity of the sun pull the barycenter and Earth and moon centers in many different tangents not normal to an orbit sure the eccentricity should vary in an undulating way but also it may bring about a balance due to its repeating type nature.
 
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1. What is Earth's eccentricity?

Earth's eccentricity refers to the measure of how elliptical or circular its orbit around the Sun is. An eccentricity of 0 represents a perfectly circular orbit, while an eccentricity of 1 represents a highly elliptical orbit.

2. Does Earth's eccentricity change over time?

Yes, Earth's eccentricity does change over time. It is affected by various factors such as the gravitational pull of other planets and the tilt of Earth's axis. These changes occur in cycles and can cause variations in the length and severity of Earth's seasons.

3. How is Earth's eccentricity measured?

Earth's eccentricity is measured using mathematical equations and data collected from observations of Earth's orbit. Scientists use these measurements to calculate the eccentricity value, which can range from 0 to 1.

4. What is the current eccentricity of Earth's orbit?

The current eccentricity of Earth's orbit is approximately 0.0167. This means that Earth's orbit is slightly elliptical, but still close to being circular. However, this value is constantly fluctuating over time due to external influences.

5. How does Earth's eccentricity affect global climate?

Earth's eccentricity can have a significant impact on global climate. When Earth's orbit is more elliptical, it can result in more extreme differences in temperature and weather patterns between seasons. This can also affect the amount of solar radiation reaching Earth's surface, which can impact global temperatures and climate patterns.

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