Does energy currency make sense?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of energy as a potential basis for currency, exploring its implications in economics and its comparison to traditional forms of money. Participants examine the historical evolution of currency, the role of energy in value representation, and the challenges associated with implementing an energy-based currency system.

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  • One participant suggests that energy could serve as a universal currency, arguing that it represents a true physical quantity necessary for work, unlike fiat currencies which rely on collective agreement for their value.
  • Another participant raises concerns about the practicality of energy-based currencies, questioning whether they could effectively serve as a long-term store of value, similar to traditional currencies.
  • Some participants note the historical context of currency, discussing the transition from commodity money to representative money and then to fiat currencies, highlighting the complexities involved in these changes.
  • A participant references the concept of utility in economics, suggesting a parallel to the proposed energy currency, and shares a paper on the economics of energy for further exploration.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about the ease of transitioning to an energy-based currency, emphasizing the necessity of a strong economy regardless of the political system in place.

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Participants express a range of views on the feasibility and implications of an energy-based currency, with no consensus reached on its practicality or effectiveness compared to existing forms of currency.

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Participants highlight the challenges of storing energy and the potential need for different currencies to represent power and energy, indicating unresolved issues regarding the implementation of such a system.

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Let me start by saying the idea isn't mine at all. It's actually somewhat usual within Science Fiction works. Maybe one of the most popular appearances of the concept is the videogame Stellaris where there is commerce with aliens so a universal currency is very convenient.
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In economics, money is a little bit like potential energy in Physics, don't you think? It represents the capacity to do things. The Kardashev scale also comes to mind when thinking about this. However, I'm trying to focus the thread on the concept of currency.
In a nutshell:
  • Barter is good and simple but it makes commerce hard. Currencies were created to overcome that although barter still sees use and will always exist.
  • Currencies used to be based on materials such as gold. It's durable, limited, and shiny so people put value on it. That is commodity money. I guess we're a little like crows trying to gather the shiny things around us for the sake of it.
  • Bank notes were issued to represent the gold which was useful to facilitate trading. That's representative money.
  • Then Fiat currencies came in and now the money is just paper we're told it's valuable which is true as long as we all agree it is. The problem is now it can be printed with the push of a button in the power of a few people.
  • Cryptocurrencies can (as far as I know) be created so their supply becomes more difficult to increase as time goes on unlike fiat currencies but it's still based on nothing. We have to agree on its value so it's valuable.
Wouldn't it make sense to create money whose value is based on energy? Energy represents the true physical quantity to do things (work) so it's everything but arbitrary. It's universal, physically bound to the real world, etc. Basically, moving back to representative money but using energy instead of something like gold as the backing source of value.

At the moment, we have the problem of storing energy but that could be a technological problem to be solved in the future. Or maybe the value could be defined by the potential energy production within a time period. Assigning value to power or energy could require two different currencies that are somehow related. I most definitely don't have a solution or plan for it. I'm just exploring the possibility because I think it's interesting.

Additionally, generated goods could have a true value based on the energy associated to make the product and get it to you although its true value would still be assigned based on supply and demand by the individuals using it. But at least the currency would set a reference point besides the benefits previously mentioned.
 
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Juanda said:
The problem is now it can be printed with the push of a button in the power of a few people.
It's not that easy, IMO. Whether democracy or dictatorship, you must have a strong economy to survive politically. There are some good reasons we left the gold standard.
 
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Successful currencies have historically had two uses: a medium of exchange and a store of long term value. I am unsure if energy (or cryptocurrencies) successfully meet the second use.
 
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It seems we have exhausted this topic and so it's a good time to close the thread.

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