Does energy level determine degeneracy in 3D systems?

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The discussion revolves around whether higher energy levels in three-dimensional systems, such as a cubic well and a 3D harmonic oscillator, necessarily correspond to higher degeneracy. Participants explore this concept through examples and counterexamples, focusing on the implications of energy eigenvalues and degeneracy in quantum mechanics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that in 3D systems, higher energy levels generally lead to higher degeneracy, referencing cubic wells and 3D harmonic oscillators.
  • Another participant counters this claim by providing an example of a particle in a box, indicating that not all energy levels exhibit increasing degeneracy, particularly noting the fourth excited state has no degeneracy.
  • A further explanation is provided regarding how different eigenvalues can yield the same energy value, thus creating degeneracy, with specific examples from a cubical box. It is noted that while higher energies may lead to more combinations of eigenvalues resulting in the same energy, this is not universally applicable.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus; there are competing views regarding the relationship between energy levels and degeneracy in 3D systems, with some examples supporting and others contradicting the initial claim.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of degeneracy in quantum systems, noting that the shape of the potential well (e.g., cubical vs. non-cubical) can affect the degeneracy of energy levels. There are also unresolved aspects regarding the generality of the proposed relationship between energy and degeneracy.

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Hi everyone.

I can not remember if, in 3D, the higher it is the energy level, the higher it is its degeneracy. With a cubic well and with a 3D harmonic oscillator it holds... Does anyone know if it is a general rule or not (and in the case it is, where does this rule come from)?
 
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No that's not true, not even for a particle in a box of equal sides.

Consider the energy eigenvalues of this system: ##E_{\vec{n}} = \frac{\hbar^2 \pi^2}{2m L^2}(n_x^2 + n_y^2 + n_z^2)##. The first excited state has degeneracy 3 and so do the second and third excited states but the fourth excited state has no degeneracy just like the ground state.
 
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You must look at the energy, and see how different eigenvalues generates the same value of energy (because that means that for the same value of the energy, you have more than one eigenfunction, and that's the definition of degeneracy). For example, for the particle in a cubical box of side a, the energies are:

##E=\frac{h^2}{8ma^2}(n^2_x+n^2_y+n^2_z)##

Look at what happens for different eigenvalues, for example for ##n_x=1,n_y=2,n_z=1## you have the same value of the energy than for: ##n_x=2,n_y=1,n_z=1## and ##n_x=1,n_y=1,n_z=2##, so that energy level is degenerate. Now, if the box weren't cubical, this wouldn't hold. Now, for higher energies, in general you will have more combinations for the triad of n's that gives the same value of energy, and that's why the degeneracy grows with the energy (not always as WannaBeNewton said).
 
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Ok. You have been both very clear. Thanks.
 

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