Accuracy of the Density of States

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The discussion revolves around the accuracy of the density of states formula in calculating the number of quantum states within a small energy interval, particularly focusing on the relationship between quantum states and lattice points in n-dimensional space.

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  • One participant questions the accuracy of the density of states formula, particularly regarding the assumption that one unit volume corresponds to one quantum state, given that multiple lattice points can exist within a single unit volume.
  • The same participant seeks to understand whether the reasoning applied to the average number of lattice points per unit volume in two dimensions can be extended to three dimensions.
  • Another participant asserts that the number of lattice points enclosed in a volume is proportional to the volume itself, suggesting a connection between volume and quantum states.
  • A participant expresses confusion about the density of states formula and requests clarification on its source and formulation.

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The discussion features multiple competing views, particularly regarding the relationship between quantum states and lattice points, and whether the density of states formula is accurately representing this relationship. There is no consensus on the accuracy or interpretation of the density of states formula.

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Participants express uncertainty about the assumptions underlying the density of states formula, particularly in relation to the treatment of lattice points and the constancy of the thickness in the calculation of n-shell volume.

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Why exactly is the number of quantum states equal to the volume in n-space if it is actually about the number of lattice points within that volume instead?
I'm trying to understand the detailed concept of why the density of states formula is accurate enough to calculate the number of quantum states of an energy level, including degeneracy, within a small energy interval of ##dE##.

The discrete energie levels are calculated by
$$E = \frac{h^2 \cdot (n_x^2+n_y^2+n_z^2)}{8mL^2}$$
Where the 3 dimensions of ##n## are integer values. The number of quantum states between ##E \geq E + dE## is deduced by calculating the volume of an 8th of a shell in n-dimensions with thickness ##d\bigg(\sqrt{n_x^2+n_y^2+n_z^2}\bigg)## (which is a piece of the n-sphere's radius).
$$N_{E_k} = \frac{1}{8} \cdot 4\pi (n_x^2+n_y^2+n_z^2) \cdot d\bigg(\sqrt{n_x^2+n_y^2+n_z^2}\bigg)$$
I have some questions about its accuracy but it's best to start off with these 2 questions first

1. The n-values are integer which means that the true number of quantum states is equal to the number of lattice points of the n-grid within a certain n-volume. However, when calculating the volume instead, you're associating 1 unit volume to 1 quantum state while in fact, 1 unit of volume can have more lattice points (i.e. one n-cube has 8 corners).

This Wiki states for a circle that for large n-values, the average number of lattice points per unit volume goes down to 1, which explains why the number of lattice points would be qual to the circle area. Can this reasoning be extrapolated to volume?

2. Does the thickness ##d\bigg(\sqrt{n_x^2+n_y^2+n_z^2}\bigg)## actually stay constant or does it change depending on the value of ##\sqrt{(n_x^2+n_y^2+n_z^2)}## as the radius at which you're calculating the n-shell volume?
 
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JohnnyGui said:
the density of states formula

What density of states formula? And where are you getting it from? Neither reference you gave gives one.
 
JohnnyGui said:
Summary:: Why exactly is the number of quantum states equal to the volume in n-space if it is actually about the number of lattice points within that volume instead?
Because the number of lattice points enclosed is proportional to the volume enclosed.

Why do keep asking the same question?
 
Thread locked, duplicate question.
 

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