Does Every Circle Bundle Originate from a 2-Plane Bundle?

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The discussion centers on whether every circle bundle can be derived from a 2-plane bundle, specifically within the context of paracompact spaces, ideally manifolds. The conversation also touches on related concepts such as sphere bundles and quadrics in projective spaces.

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  • One participant defines a circle bundle as a fiber bundle with a circle as the fiber, emphasizing the local product structure and the role of transition functions.
  • Another participant references Beauville's work, suggesting that a related question about bundles of quadrics over the base space P^2 has been answered affirmatively, potentially providing insights for the original question.
  • A participant mentions the action of the fundamental group of a Riemann surface on the upper half-plane, leading to the construction of a circle bundle, which can be extended to vector bundles.
  • There is a suggestion that Steenrod's discussions on bundles with a given group might influence the outcome of the original question.

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Participants express interest in the question, but there is no consensus on whether every circle bundle originates from a 2-plane bundle. Multiple viewpoints and references to existing literature are presented without resolution.

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Some limitations include the dependence on specific definitions of bundles and the potential influence of the group structure on the results discussed. The relationship between circle bundles and vector bundles remains unresolved.

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This question asks whether every circle bundle comes from a 2 plane bundle. Paracompact space please - preferably a manifold.

By circle bundle I mean the usual thing, a fiber bundle with fiber, a circle, that is locally a product bundle. The transition functions lie in some group of homeomorphisms of the circle.

A similar question can be asked for a sphere bundle.
 
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a more general question, but only over the base space P^2, whether every bundle of quadrics comes from a bundle of ambient projective spaces defined by a vector bundle, is answered affirmatively by Beauville, in his famous paper on prym varieties and intermediate jacobians, p.321, prop. 2.1.

http://math.unice.fr/~beauvill/pubs/prym.pdf

The argument there uses sheaves and the Picard variety of a quadric, but may apply to your question. The idea seems to be to get a vector space from sections of the relative cotangent bundle of the map.

But this is presumably a question that would have arisen very early. Have you looked in Steenrod's book on Topology of Fiber bundles?
 
mathwonk said:
a more general question, but only over the base space P^2, whether every bundle of quadrics comes from a bundle of ambient projective spaces defined by a vector bundle, is answered affirmatively by Beauville, in his famous paper on prym varieties and intermediate jacobians, p.321, prop. 2.1.

http://math.unice.fr/~beauvill/pubs/prym.pdf

The argument there uses sheaves and the Picard variety of a quadric, but may apply to your question. The idea seems to be to get a vector space from sections of the relative cotangent bundle of the map.

But this is presumably a question that would have arisen very early. Have you looked in Steenrod's book on Topology of Fiber bundles?

Mathwonk I know zero Algebraic Geometry but will look at the paper. Maybe it is time to learn something.

Here are the two examples that prompted my question.

- The fundamental group of a Riemann surface acts properly discontinuously on the upper half plane as a subgroup of PSL(2:R).

This action preserves the real axis U{∞}, RP^{1}. The quotient of HxR^{2} by this action is a circle bundle.

This bundle also has a 2 fold cover which is another circle bundle.

One can show that both of these bundles can be extended to vector bundles.
 
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well it seems like a wonderful question. steenrod discusses bundles with a given group. maybe that prejudices the result.
 

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