How to derive Quantum Mechanics in curved physical space?

In summary, the conversation is about finding the connection one-form on the total space of a principal bundle, specifically in the context of quantum mechanics in curved space. The speaker suggests using a section map to find the connection one-form on the base manifold and then "lifting" it to the total space. They also mention the concept of a line bundle and suggest looking into textbooks for more detailed explanations. The conversation also discusses the Kostant-Souriau formulation of QM and references some classic texts for further reading. Finally, the conversation ends with a summary of how to define the connection one-form on the total space using the frame bundle and the Maurer-Cartan form.
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We want to "lift" the pulled-back connection one-form on the base manifold to the total space, but how?!
I am following [this YouTube lecture by Schuller][1] where he finds the appropriate formalism for the quantum mechanics in the physical curved space.

Everything makes sense to me but at the very end I see that we find the pull backed connection one-form on the base manifold.

He says to the end of the lecture that later on we will see how we can find the connection one-form on the total space, the principal bundle, i.e., the frame bundle, level.

This is not shown, however, in the next video.

I wonder how can we calculate the connection one-form on the total space when we only have information about the pulled back of this form on the base manifold through a section map?

If we have a tangent vector on the base manifold clearly we can push it forward via the section map. But how about when we have defined a form, as we cannot push it forward from the base manifold to the total space via the section map.Is the following a good way to illustrate in the case of a flat base space how to derive the connection one-form on the total space from the given pulled-back connection one-form on the base manifold?

Consider the trivial bundle ##\mathbb{R}^2 \times G \to \mathbb{R}^2##, where ##G## is a Lie group, and let ##E## denote the principal G-bundle with fiber ##G##. We can think of ##E## as the bundle whose fiber over each point in ##\mathbb{R}^2## is just ##G##.

Suppose we have a connection one-form ##\widetilde \omega## on the base manifold ##\mathbb{R}^2## that takes values in the Lie algebra of ##G##. This connection one-form is given by a one-form on ##\mathbb{R}^2## whose values are elements of the Lie algebra of ##G## at each point.

Now suppose we have a section ##s:\mathbb{R}^2 \to E## of the principal G-bundle ##E##. We can think of ##s## as a map that assigns to each point in ##\mathbb{R}^2## an element of ##G##. We can also think of ##s## as a map that takes a point in ##\mathbb{R}^2## and "lifts" it to a point in ##E## by taking the point in ##\mathbb{R}^2## and mapping it to the point in the fiber over that point determined by ##s##.

To derive the connection one-form on the total space, we want to "lift" the pulled-back connection one-form on the base manifold to ##E##. We can do this as follows:

1/ Given a point ##p \in E##, we can use the section map ##s## to identify the point ##q=s^{-1}(p)## in ##\mathbb{R}^2##.

2/ We can then evaluate the pulled-back connection one-form ##\widetilde{\omega} = s^* \omega## on ##\mathbb{R}^2## at the point ##q##. Since ##\widetilde{\omega}## takes values in the Lie algebra of ##G##, this evaluation gives us an element of the Lie algebra of ##G##.

3/ We can then "lift" this element to a Lie algebra-valued one-form on ##E## by extending it trivially in the direction transverse to the fiber. Specifically, for any vector ##v## tangent to ##E## at ##p##, we can define the value of the lifted connection one-form at ##p## in the direction of ##v## to be the element of the Lie algebra of ##G## we obtained in step 2.

By repeating this process for all points in ##E##, we obtain a connection one-form on ##E## that reduces to ##\omega## when restricted to any fiber of ##E##. This connection one-form satisfies all the conditions required of a connection and can be used to define parallel transport and curvature on ##E##.

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Well, this is not really "QM in curved space", but rather how to do QM covariantly in general curvilinear coordinates.

In any case, you're seriously over-thinking it.

That lecture is a rather excruciatingly tedious way of discovering that the ordinary QM wave functions are not scalar-valued functions, but scalar-density-valued functions. (These lectures also show why one should lecture from notes, rather than trying to reproduce everything off the cuff - which leads to frequent mistakes on the board.)

Schuller's ##\omega_\alpha## is just ##\Gamma^\lambda_{~\alpha\lambda}##, where ##\Gamma## is the usual Levi-Civita affine connection. Although the usual covariant derivative acts on a function ##f## as ##\,\nabla_\alpha f = \partial_\alpha f##, it acts on a scalar-density ##\psi## as##\,\nabla_\alpha \psi = \partial_\alpha \psi + \Gamma^\lambda_{~\alpha\lambda} \psi\,##. (You can google for "covariant derivative of scalar density" for more detail on this.)

All the gumph about passing between a "section in the frame bundle" and a field on the base manifold is essentially just a high-falutin' way of obscuring the usual non-tensorial transformation rule for connection components.
 
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OP another word to look for is "line bundle". It's essentially the same thing as a scalar density bundle under a different name. Many abstract treatments of QM will talk about how the wavefunction is a section of a line bundle.
 
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The question is so general, that it would take someone 15 pages to try to answer it. I urge the OP to get a textbook on this topic. Sniatycki, J. - Geometric Quantization And Quantum Mechanics (Springer, 1980).
 
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Another standard reference is:
Woodhouse N.M.J. "Geometric Quantization" 2nd edition, OUP
 
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It's the so-called Kostant-Souriau formulation of QM. Schuller's presentation is nice, but did he put them in a book? I want to compare his text with the classics.
 
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Answer provided by Ted Shifrin:


You don't push forward forms, of course. Here's the idea: Cover ##M## by open sets ##U_\alpha## over which the frame bundle ##P## is trivial, and let ##s_\alpha\colon U_\alpha\to P## be sections for all ##\alpha##. Define the projection ##\psi_\alpha\colon P|_{U_\alpha}\to G## for all ##\alpha##. *Provided* that we have

##\omega_\beta = g_{\alpha\beta}^{-1}\omega_\alpha g_{\alpha\beta} + g_{\alpha\beta}^{-1}dg_{\alpha\beta} \quad\text{with } s_\beta=g_{\alpha\beta}\cdot s_\alpha \text{ on } U_\alpha\cap U_\beta,##

then we define the ##\mathfrak g##-valued ##1##-form ##\omega## on ##P## by

##\omega = (\text{Ad}\,\psi_\alpha^{-1})\pi^*\omega_\alpha + \psi_\alpha^*\phi,##

where ##\phi## is the left-invariant Maurer-Cartan form on ##G##.

I leave you to check well-definedness. You can find this all done carefully in Kobayashi-Nomizu (section 1 of Chapter II).
 
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1. What is Quantum Mechanics?

Quantum Mechanics is a branch of physics that studies the behavior of particles at the atomic and subatomic level. It describes the fundamental laws and principles that govern the behavior of matter and energy on a microscopic scale.

2. What is curved physical space?

Curved physical space, also known as curved spacetime, is a concept in physics that describes the curvature of space and time due to the presence of massive objects. It is a fundamental aspect of Einstein's theory of General Relativity and is essential in understanding the behavior of matter and energy in the universe.

3. How does Quantum Mechanics apply to curved physical space?

In Quantum Mechanics, the behavior of particles is described by wave functions that evolve over time. In curved physical space, the presence of massive objects causes the curvature of spacetime, which affects the behavior of these wave functions. Therefore, Quantum Mechanics must be adapted to account for the effects of curved spacetime.

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