History Does Knowing History Shape Our Understanding of the Present?

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The discussion centers on the importance of history in understanding contemporary issues and the challenges of accessing accurate historical information. Participants express a belief that studying history, particularly through primary sources, can reveal patterns and truths obscured by modern partisan reporting. There is a consensus that history education often lacks depth and is influenced by biases, leading to a superficial understanding of past events. Recommendations for historical reading include Carroll Quigley's "Hope and Tragedy," which offers insights into significant events of the 20th century, and H.G. Wells' "History of the World," which presents a broader perspective on history. The conversation also touches on the complexities of historical narratives, including the often-overlooked aspects of slavery and colonialism, and the need for a nuanced understanding of historical events to avoid repeating past mistakes. Overall, the thread emphasizes the value of engaging with history to better comprehend current affairs and human behavior.
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It's funny where the study of history might take one.

My interest in the history of physics began in 2009 when I read The Making of the Atomic Bomb by Richard Rhodes. I purchased it because I study military history. My period of interest is generally between the Elizabethan era and the Vietnam War.

I quickly became absorbed by the scientific content of the book, and my military interest was subordinated to the story of the birth of quantum theory.

I was fascinated by Rhode's detailed narrative of post-Newtonian science, and he made the development of quantum physics understandable to me. I was not a good math and chemistry student, yet I was able to follow the incredible path between JJ Thompson's discovery of the electron and the first nuclear reactors and weapons, a period that spanned just 65 years.

Since my reading of Rhode's Pulitzer Prize winning effort, I have worked on expanding my knowledge of physics by reading other books whose basis is a historical study of the topic. That's much easier than a textbook study of the subject, in which I would become totally lost.

I might try to work on my math and chemistry weaknesses by taking courses at my county community college. My interest in history has turned into pursuing an entirely different path.
 
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quickrp, ibiblio.org/hyperwar and ibiblio.org/pha might be of interest.
 
  • #53
I'm fascinated by history. Some stories are better than any work of fiction.
 
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Greg Bernhardt said:
I'm fascinated by history. Some stories are better than any work of fiction.
Read about Noel Coward's role in WWII espionage.
 
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I am interested in history relating to math [read: physics and math]
 
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I have long had a interest in the history/philosophy of science (especially biology), as well as in the US Civil War.

Because of this, I find the period of time around 1860 interesting.
Not only was the Civil War and the complex politics leading up to the war, but
also Darwin's Origin of Species was published in the end 1859 (don't forget Wallace also found came up with the same idea in 1958 forcing Darwin to publish), and
by 1855 cell theory had it complete set of tenets:
  1. All living organisms are composed of one or more cells
  2. The cell is the most basic unit of life
  3. All cells arise only from pre-existing cells
Also around this time (1866) Gregor Mendel figured out the basic rules of Mendelian genetics (but his publications were not noticed until around 1900).

It was a time of great changes in thought.
 
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BillTre said:
(don't forget Wallace also found came up with the same idea in 1958 forcing Darwin to publish),
I thought I had missed something in the history until my dyslexia kicked in and I figured a couple of digits were transposed. :smile:
 
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1oldman2 said:
I thought I had missed something in the history until my dyslexia kicked in and I figured a couple of digits were transposed. :smile:

LOL, must be my dyslexia!
 
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OK.
I think I should clarify:
BillTre said:
don't forget Wallace also found came up with the same idea in 1958 forcing Darwin to publish
Should have been:
don't forget Wallace also found came up with the same idea in 1859 forcing Darwin to publish
 
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BillTre said:
OK.
I think I should clarify:

Should have been:
don't forget Wallace also found came up with the same idea in 1859 forcing Darwin to publish
The Society suggested that Darwin read Wallace's paper and then read a short paper of his own. After that the feline was extricated from confinement.
 
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