MHB Does limit of "approximate zero set" converge to the zero set?

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The discussion centers on whether the limit of the approximate zero set converges to the actual zero set for a function f: R^m → R^m. It is established that the zero set, defined as Z = {x | f(x) = 0}, is contained within the epsilon-approximation set Z_ε = {x | ||f(x)|| ≤ ε}. The conversation highlights that if f is a proper map, then the limit condition lim(ε→0) max(x∈Z_ε) dist(x, Z) = 0 holds true. A contradiction is presented to demonstrate that if this limit were greater than zero, it would lead to an inconsistency with the properties of compactness. The conclusion is that under the assumption of properness, the limit condition is satisfied.
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Let f:\mathbb{R}^m\rightarrow\mathbb{R}^m. Define the zero set by \mathcal{Z}\triangleq\{x\in\mathbb{R}^m | f(x)=\mathbf{0}\} and an \epsilon-approximation of this set by \mathcal{Z}_\epsilon\triangleq\{x\in\mathbb{R}^m|~||f(x)||\leq\epsilon\} for some \epsilon&gt;0. Clearly \mathcal{Z}\subseteq \mathcal{Z}_\epsilon. Can one assume any condition on the function f so that<br /> \lim_{\epsilon\rightarrow 0}~\max_{x\in \mathcal{Z}_\epsilon}~\text{dist}(x, \mathcal{Z})=0,<br />holds?

I know in general this doesn't hold by this example (function of a scalar variable):
<br /> f(x)=\left\{\begin{align}<br /> 0,\quad{x\leq 0};<br /> \\<br /> 1/x,\quad x&gt;0.<br /> \end{align}<br /> \right.<br />

I really appreciate any help or hint.
Thank you.
 
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Let f:\mathbb{R}^m\rightarrow\mathbb{R}^m. Define the zero set by \mathcal{Z}\triangleq\{x\in\mathbb{R}^m | f(x)=\mathbf{0}\} and an \epsilon-approximation of this set by \mathcal{Z}_\epsilon\triangleq\{x\in\mathbb{R}^m|~||f(x)||\leq\epsilon\} for some \epsilon&gt;0. Clearly \mathcal{Z}\subseteq \mathcal{Z}_\epsilon. Can one assume any condition on the function f so that<br /> \lim_{\epsilon\rightarrow 0}~\max_{x\in \mathcal{Z}_\epsilon}~\text{dist}(x, \mathcal{Z})=0,<br />holds?

I know in general this doesn't hold by this example (function of a scalar variable):
<br /> f(x)=\left\{\begin{align}<br /> 0,\quad{x\leq 0};<br /> \\<br /> 1/x,\quad x&gt;0.<br /> \end{align}<br /> \right.<br />

I really appreciate any help or hint.
Thank you.
If one assumes that $f$ is a proper map then the conclusion holds. By proper I mean $f^{-1}(K)$ is compact whenever $K\subseteq \mathbf R^n$ is compact. Let's prove this.

Assume by way of contradiction that there is a proper map $f:\mathbf R^n\to \mathbf R^m$ such that
$$\lim_{\epsilon\to 0} \max_{x\in \mathcal Z_\epsilon} \text{dist}(x, \mathcal Z)$$
is greater than $0$. Call this limit $\alpha$.

So for each positive natural number $n$ we can find $x_n\in \mathcal Z_{1/n}$ such that $\text{dist}(x_n, \mathcal Z)\geq \alpha$. But each $x_n$ lies is $\mathcal Z_1$, which by assumption of properness is a compact set. Thus the sequence $(x_n)$ has a convergent subsequence $(x_{n_k})_{k=1}^\infty$ which, say, converges to $x_0$. It follows that $\text{dist}(x_0, \mathcal Z)\geq \alpha$.

But for each $N>0$, the points in the sequence $(x_{n_k})$ eventually lie in $\mathcal Z_{1/N}$ which is a closed set, since it is compact. Thus $x_0\in Z_{1/N}$ for each $N$. Therefore $f(x_0)\leq 1/N$ or all $N$ which shows that $f(x_0)=0$. But then $\text{dist}(x_0, \mathcal Z)=0$ and we have a contradiction.
 
We all know the definition of n-dimensional topological manifold uses open sets and homeomorphisms onto the image as open set in ##\mathbb R^n##. It should be possible to reformulate the definition of n-dimensional topological manifold using closed sets on the manifold's topology and on ##\mathbb R^n## ? I'm positive for this. Perhaps the definition of smooth manifold would be problematic, though.

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