Does macro-object get entangled?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of entanglement, particularly whether a macro-object can become entangled with a particle from an entangled pair after one of the particles interacts with the macro-object and decoheres. The scope includes theoretical considerations, interpretations of quantum mechanics, and implications of decoherence.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that entanglement can occur between a macro-object and a particle from an entangled pair if one particle interacts with the macro-object and decoheres.
  • Others argue that entanglement is limited to quantum numbers and that decoherence results in the loss of information, making it unclear which particle remains entangled.
  • A participant references Leonard Susskind's lecture on ER=EPR, suggesting that black holes, as macro-objects, could be fully entangled, raising questions about the nature of entanglement in large systems.
  • Some participants mention that entanglement can occur in various quantum systems, including macroscopic ones, citing examples like entangled phonon states in diamonds.
  • There are discussions about the implications of decoherence, with some asserting that it leaves the macro-object in a single state, while others clarify that the entire quantum system remains in a single state throughout the process.
  • One participant raises the idea that in the Many-Worlds Interpretation (MWI), entanglement could still be perceived after decoherence, although it may not be practically usable.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the representation of quantum states, with distinctions between density matrices and superpositions being discussed.
  • There is a suggestion that the possibility of entangling a macro-object with a particle from an entangled pair may depend on the interpretation of quantum mechanics being used.
  • A later reply challenges the adequacy of natural language to describe the complexities of entanglement and decoherence compared to mathematical formalism.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views on whether a macro-object can become entangled with a particle from an entangled pair after decoherence, and the discussion remains unresolved with no clear consensus.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in understanding entanglement and decoherence, particularly regarding the definitions and interpretations of quantum mechanics, as well as the implications of mathematical formalism versus natural language.

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Suppose we have a pair of entangled particles. Suppose the first particle of the pair interacts with a macro-object and decoheres. Does the macro object get entangled with the second particle?
 
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Entanglement can only happen between quantum numbers.
One of the particles can interact with very limited part of the macro object, by that the information is lost because you cannot know which particle is the entangled one. If you do know which is the new entangled particle than you go back to the beginning of the question.
 
entropy1 said:
Suppose we have a pair of entangled particles. Suppose the first particle of the pair interacts with a macro-object and decoheres. Does the macro object get entangled with the second particle?
I would say yes, as that follows from the Schrödinger equation.
 
Leonard Susskind gave a lecture entitled ER=EPR in which he posits creating pairs of black holes entirely out of entangled particle pairs, thus making the black holes fully entangled. I would say that a black hole is about as macro as you can get.

Here is the YouTube rendition.

 
Entanglement can in principle occur for any quantum mechanical system. E.g., you can have entanglement between phonon states of two diamonds (at room temperature!):

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/room-temperature-entanglement/

K. C. Lee et al, Entangling Macroscopic Diamonds at Room Temperature, Science 334, 1253 (2011)
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Xian-Min_Jin/publication/51855622_Entangling_Macroscopic_Diamonds_at_Room_Temperature/links/00463519f66babe7f6000000.pdf
 
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I am particulary interested in entanglement of a macro object with one of a pair of entangled particles.

If I understand correctly, decoherence of a particle in a macro object leaves the macro object in a single state, is that correct?
 
entropy1 said:
If I understand correctly, decoherence of a particle in a macro object leaves the macro object in a single state, is that correct?
The entire quantum system consisting of two particles and the macroscopic object is always - before, during, and after the experiment - in a single state. At no time does it ever make sense to talk about anything not being in a single state.
 
Superposition of macroscopic objects (~50micrometer) has been demonstrated, and I think they used entanglement with something else (light?) to measure that superposition. You have to be very careful to avoid decoherence, however.

In MWI, you could see the objects as entangled even after decoherence, but it is an entanglement that you cannot use in any way.
 
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Does this count? I think so.
[PLAIN said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-slit_experiment]In[/PLAIN] 1999, the double-slit experiment was successfully performed with buckyball molecules (each of which comprises 60 carbon atoms).[26][50] A buckyball is large enough (diameter about 0.7 nm, nearly half a million times larger than a proton) to be seen under an electron microscope.
 
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Nugatory said:
The entire quantum system consisting of two particles and the macroscopic object is always - before, during, and after the experiment - in a single state. At no time does it ever make sense to talk about anything not being in a single state.
That state being a superposition of possible outcomes?
 
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That state being a superposition of possible outcomes?
In general no, it's a density matrix. It may be a pure state which can be represented as a ray in some Hilbert space, and if so we can choose a basis in which it will be a superposition of possible outcomes (and other bases in which it will not be such a superposition).
 
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So, in all, I understand that it is possible to entangle particle B of an entangled pair A-B with macro-object O, in the case that particle A interacts and decoheres in object O, so that O and B become entangled? Is this dependent of the interpretation of QM used?
 
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entropy1 said:
So, in all, I understand that it is possible to entangle particle B of an entangled pair A-B with macro-object O, in the case that particle A interacts and decoheres in object O, so that O and B become entangled? Is this dependent of the interpretation of QM used?
You're asking the English language to do more than it is capable of. The mathematical formalism is clear and properly describes entanglement and decoherence; natural language does not.
 
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