Does michio kaku hate leonard susskind?

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The discussion revolves around the perceived relationship between Michio Kaku and Leonard Susskind, particularly focusing on Kaku's treatment of Susskind's contributions to string theory in his book "Beyond Einstein." Participants explore themes of acknowledgment, understanding, and the implications of references in academic texts.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that Kaku does not mention Susskind in "Beyond Einstein," despite Susskind's significant role in the development of string theory.
  • Others suggest that Kaku may not understand Susskind's work, implying a disparity in their levels of expertise.
  • Several participants reference the indexes of other books, such as Brian Greene's and Zwiebach's, to argue that Kaku's omission of Susskind indicates a negative stance towards him.
  • Some participants point out that Kaku has authored graduate-level textbooks, which may imply he possesses the technical ability to understand Susskind's contributions.
  • A later reply highlights a specific mention of Susskind in "Beyond Einstein," suggesting that Kaku does acknowledge Susskind's work, albeit in a limited context.
  • There are humorous remarks about the implications of Kaku's references and the nature of academic relationships.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views regarding Kaku's acknowledgment of Susskind, with some asserting that Kaku's omission reflects animosity, while others point to specific references that complicate this interpretation. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing views present.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the implications of Kaku's references to Susskind in his textbooks and the significance of their academic relationship. The discussion includes various interpretations of Kaku's intentions and understanding of string theory.

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i was reading kaku's book beyond einstein and he kept talking about the beginning of string theory and we all know that susskind was instrumental in its foundation back in 70 yet kaku never mentioned him. he had numerous times to mention susskind but never did throughout the whole book.
 
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robertjford80 said:
i was reading kaku's book beyond einstein and he kept talking about the beginning of string theory and we all know that susskind was instrumental in its foundation back in 70 yet kaku never mentioned him. he had numerous times to mention susskind but never did throughout the whole book.
i believe he didn't understand what suss wrote, his level and suss'level seems too far different, aren't they ?
 


i can't read technical papers on string theory, can you?
 


robertjford80 said:
i can't read technical papers on string theory, can you?
I know what most of the words and math symbols mean, taken one at a time. But that doesn't help much when you get to the string theory equivalent of Chomsky's "colorless green ideas sleep furionsly".
 


In the index to Brian Greene's 'The Elegant Universe', there are 5 references to Professor Susskind. In the index to Zwiebach's 'A First Course in String Theory', there is no mention. There is only one possible explanation for these data. Greene loves Susskind, while Kaku and Zwiebach hate him.
 
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Jimmy Snyder said:
In the index to Brian Greene's 'The Elegant Universe', there are 5 references to Professor Susskind. In the index to Zwiebach's 'A First Course in String Theory', there is no mention. There is only one possible explanation for these data. Greene loves Susskind, while Kaku and Zwiebach hate him.

Hard to argue with logic like that!
 


Jimmy Snyder said:
In the index to Zwiebach's 'A First Course in String Theory', there is no mention.

In his list of references, Zwiebach includes at least four references to stuff by Susskind, three technical and one popular-level.
 


George Jones said:
In his list of references, Zwiebach includes at least four references to stuff by Susskind, three technical and one popular-level.
This is disturbing news. I would say Kaku stands alone in his hatred of Susskind. Pending a report on the list of references in Beyond Einstein of course.
 
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robertjford80 said:
no, what do these books imply about kaku?

That underneath his pop sci facade he has the technical ability to understand Suss and that they are not on different levels.
 
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George Jones said:
In his list of references, Zwiebach includes at least four references to stuff by Susskind, three technical and one popular-level.

So it means Greene's love is more deep than Zwiebach's. Who is Susskind in love with?
 
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Maybe he just hates Stanford.
 
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'Getting back to the OP,
robertjford80 said:
i was reading kaku's book beyond einstein and he kept talking about the beginning of string theory and we all know that susskind was instrumental in its foundation back in 70 yet kaku never mentioned him. he had numerous times to mention susskind but never did throughout the whole book.

Check out page 205 of Beyond Einstein (in the notes). It says,

"An earlier, cruder version of superstring theory, based on strips, was proposed by Leonard Susskind, then at Yeshiva University in New York, and H.B. Nielsen of the Neils Bohr Institute in Copenhagen as well as by Nambu himself."​
 
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collinsmark said:
Check out page 205 of Beyond Einstein (in the notes). It says,
"An earlier, cruder version of superstring theory, based on strips, was proposed by Leonard Susskind, then at Yeshiva University in New York, and H.B. Nielsen of the Neils Bohr Institute in Copenhagen as well as by Nambu himself."
Everyone loves Leonard.
 
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genericusrnme said:
Oh wow, I had no idea kaku had actually authored a textbook..
I thought he was just one of those average pop sci misinformers :blushing:
Read his QFT text. You may go back to your original hypothesis.
 
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Jimmy Snyder said:
Read his QFT text. You may go back to your original hypothesis.

If I find a copy of it lying about I'll be sure to pick it up :rolleyes:
 

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