Does Natural Hydrogen Exist in a Stable Ground State?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the existence and stability of hydrogen in its ground state, exploring whether it occurs naturally or experimentally. Participants also draw parallels to the concept of center of mass, questioning its nature and stability.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Debate/contested, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the specific type of hydrogen being discussed, such as H-1, H-2, or hydrogen atoms in general.
  • There is a mention of the Boltzmann distribution, suggesting that hydrogen can exist in excited states with some probability, while also affirming the existence of stable hydrogen in its ground state.
  • One participant notes that the transition energies from the hydrogen ground state to excited states have been well measured, implying that the ground state is physically realizable.
  • Another participant questions the relevance of the center of mass in relation to the discussion about hydrogen, suggesting it is a descriptive concept rather than a physical entity.
  • There is a reference to a "not allowed hydrogen atom," which remains undefined and prompts further inquiry from other participants.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of hydrogen and its ground state, with some affirming its stability and existence while others seek clarification on definitions and concepts. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of the center of mass in this context.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not reached a consensus on the definitions of hydrogen types or the relevance of the center of mass to the discussion. There are also unresolved questions about what constitutes a "not allowed hydrogen atom."

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Does hydrogen in its ground state occur naturally, ideally, experimentally? Is it stable? Is this like asking, "Does a center of mass occur naturally, ideally, experimentally? Is it stable?"
 
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Center of mass with respect to what?

What hydrogen are you referring to? H-1, H-2, H-3, H-4, H-5 etc?
or Hydrogen ATOM?
 
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malawi_glenn said:
What hydrogen are you referring to? He-2, He-3, He-4, He-5 etc?

Hydrogen not helium?
 
hehe was just reading about Helium "burning" (triple alpha), so therefor my missprint;)

Have edited now
 
Center of mass for two particle's equal and opposite 4 momenta or for the separation of a system's internal motion from its external motion.

The not allowed hydrogen atom.
 
What is a not allowed hydrogen atom?

You have the Boltzmann distribution that hydrogen can be in its excited state for some certainty. Yes stable Hydrogen in ground state exists.

What that has to do with your question about center of mass, I have no Idea.

Center of mass is a description, so it is not an entity. It is like asking if length exists.
 
The transition energies from the Hydrogen ground state to the various excited states have been very well measured. That couldn't easily be done if the ground state were not physically realizable.
 

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