Does positive curvature disprove eternal inflation?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between positive curvature and the concept of eternal inflation in cosmology. Participants explore theoretical implications, models of universe creation, and the conservation of energy within the context of General Relativity.

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  • Some participants reference a paper suggesting that positive curvature would falsify eternal inflation.
  • Others note that Alex Vilenkin proposes spontaneous creation of the universe from "nothing," which he claims does not violate conservation of energy in a closed universe.
  • One participant argues that a closed universe, characterized by positive curvature, should rule out eternal inflation, questioning the compatibility of these concepts.
  • Another participant challenges the idea that curvature in one 'bubble' universe could affect another causally disconnected 'bubble' universe.
  • Some participants highlight that while a closed universe has positive curvature, the Guth et al. paper suggests that a sufficiently flat observable patch could allow for Vilenkin's model to remain viable.

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Participants express differing views on the compatibility of positive curvature and eternal inflation, with no consensus reached on the implications of Vilenkin's model or the interpretations of the cited papers.

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There are unresolved assumptions regarding the nature of energy conservation in General Relativity and the implications of curvature on eternal inflation. The discussion also reflects varying interpretations of the cited papers and models.

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According to this paper, eternal inflation would be falsified by positive curvature:
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1203.6876v2.pdf
However the proposer of eternal inflation, Alex Vilenkin, has suggested spontaneous creation of the universe from"nothing". Apparently this doesn't violate the conservation of energy as i a closed universe the positive energy of matter is balanced by the negative energy of gravity. but as I understood it a closed universe has positive curvature which would rule out eternal inflation, wouldn't it? or why wouldn't it ?
 
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windy miller said:
According to this paper, eternal inflation would be falsified by positive curvature:
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1203.6876v2.pdf
However the proposer of eternal inflation, Alex Vilenkin, has suggested spontaneous creation of the universe from"nothing". Apparently this doesn't violate the conservation of energy as i a closed universe the positive energy of matter is balanced by the negative energy of gravity. but as I understood it a closed universe has positive curvature which would rule out eternal inflation, wouldn't it? or why wouldn't it ?
Yes, a closed universe has positive curvature.

The "zero energy universe" isn't really something that makes a whole lot of difference. Energy is just not conserved in General Relativity. You can recover energy conservation only in very special circumstances, but there's no reason to believe that those circumstances apply to reality. Sean Carroll has a pretty good blog post on the subject:
http://www.preposterousuniverse.com/blog/2010/02/22/energy-is-not-conserved/
 
Thanks for the quick reply, ok let's put energy conservation aside. Vilenkin claims his model of spontaneous creation from nothing needs a closed universe. See here: http://inference-review.com/article/the-beginning-of-the-universe
he also claims the universe undergoes eternal inflation. But the previous paper seems to say this would rule out eternal inflation. So it seems I have misunderstood something along the way.
 
Why do you think that a closed universe is incompatible with future-eternal inflation?
 
Because as I understand it a closed universe has positive curvature and according to papers like the one I cited above positive curvature would rule out eternal inflation.
 
Eternal inflation, as I understand it, results in causally disconnected 'bubble' universes. I fail to grasp how the curvature in any particular 'bubble' universe could have any observable consequences in another causally disconnectes 'bubble' universe.
 
windy miller said:
Because as I understand it a closed universe has positive curvature and according to papers like the one I cited above positive curvature would rule out eternal inflation.
But the Guth et al. paper involves an observational constraint on positive curvature; Vilenkin's closed universe could still be viable as long as the observable patch is sufficiently flat (equivalently, the radius of the universe is sufficiently large).
 
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