The particle horizon value is ignoring inflation?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of the particle horizon in cosmology, particularly in relation to the effects of inflation on its value. Participants explore the implications of calculating the particle horizon from the end of inflation versus earlier times, and how this relates to the observable universe's size.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant references a 2003 paper that calculates the particle horizon to be approximately 46 billion light years, starting the clock at the end of inflation.
  • Another participant suggests that if inflation is considered, the particle horizon would be vastly larger, but the exact increase is unknown.
  • It is noted that no particle would have traveled undisturbed through the inflationary universe, making it difficult to ascertain distances from that period.
  • One participant emphasizes that the particle horizon represents the maximum distance from which particles could have traveled to the observer, and that it is more distant than the conformal age of the universe multiplied by the speed of light.
  • A question is raised about whether the particle horizon is equivalent to the conformal age of the universe times the speed of light, with an acknowledgment of potential discrepancies in definitions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the exact value of the particle horizon and the implications of inflation on its calculation. There is no consensus on whether the particle horizon should be calculated from the end of inflation or an earlier time, and multiple competing views remain on the significance of inflation in this context.

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Limitations include the dependence on definitions of conformal time and cosmic time, as well as unresolved questions about the effects of inflation on the particle horizon's value.

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In a paper from 2003, it has been shown that the particle horizon is about 14300 Mpc, or 46.6 billion light years (and it has been recalculated in 2016 with more accurate parameters values at around 14200 Mpc = 46.3 billion ly).

From what I understand, the calculation proposed in 2003 takes the end of inflation as the beginning time. They compute a conformal time η(t) of ther Universe, and they write :

This formula will accurately track the value of η(t), providing that this is interpreted as the value of the conformal time since the end of the inflationary period at the beginning of the universe. (During the inflationary period at the beginning of the universe, the cosmological constant assumed a large value, different from that observed today, and the formula would have to be changed accordingly. So we simply start the clock at the end of the inflationary period where the energy density in the false vacuum [large cosmological constant] is dumped in the form of matter and radiation. Thus, when we trace back to the big bang, we are really tracing back to the end of the inflationary period. After that, the model does behave just like a standard hot-Friedmann big bang model. This standard model might be properly referred to as an inflationary-big bang model, with the inflationary epoch producing the Big Bang explosion at the start.)

They say that the formula they used would have to be changed if they took a starting time prior to the inflation end. So basically my question is : is the particle horizon really around 46 billion ly ? How sure are we if we are ignoring inflation in the cequations ? Would it be (significantly) different if we could compute it from an earlier time ?

During inflation expansion was super fast, so wouldn't that affect today's particle horizon ? I would assume it would make it much larger. We often hear that the (theorically) observable Universe has a radius of around 46 billion ly, and I wonder how valid is this affirmation.
 
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With inflation, it would be vastly larger (tens of orders of magnitude), but we have no idea how much larger. But no particle would have traveled undisturbed through the inflationary universe, so we cannot really get particles from larger distances, and for many calculations only the expansion after inflation is relevant.
 
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mfb said:
With inflation, it would be vastly larger (tens of orders of magnitude), but we have no idea how much larger. But no particle would have traveled undisturbed through the inflationary universe, so we cannot really get particles from larger distances, and for many calculations only the expansion after inflation is relevant.

That answers my question ! Thank you !
 
Keep in mind the particle horizon represents the maximum distance from which particles could have traveled to the observer in the age of the universe. The time this take is referred to as cosmic time. Given the universe has been expanding since its origin, the particle horizon is more distant than the conformal age of the universe times c. See; https://arxiv.org/abs/1310.6329, A Thousand Problems in Cosmology: Horizons, for further discussion.
 
Chronos said:
Keep in mind the particle horizon represents the maximum distance from which particles could have traveled to the observer in the age of the universe. The time this take is referred to as cosmic time. Given the universe has been expanding since its origin, the particle horizon is more distant than the conformal age of the universe times c. See; https://arxiv.org/abs/1310.6329, A Thousand Problems in Cosmology: Horizons, for further discussion.

Isn't the particle horizon actually the conformal age of the Universe (which is not the actual age of it) times c ?

EDIT : That's what Wikipedia says, but it could be wrong, the paper from 2003 doesn't seem to treat conformal time that way. Anyway I think I get your point that the particle horizon is not simply the age of the Univers times c, due to expansion.
 
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